kongjin

yes that means something, and all this must have meaning,


hep...what we have done or believe what has happened is the energies do two things one is to assist in de-toxification (liver)
and the other is to boost the white cells to go against the virus, my wife is in the healtcare proffession and knows the tech more than I do, the results are on both family members and friends the method of detached healing is the same as far as getting from point A to point B it also appears as if the body has some say in it as it will also direct the energy where it needs to go. My personal belief is that the body is a collective of consciousness from the whole down to the cell level there is a form of intent. Not like thoughts in the mind that is just funtional this is different. This in unison works for the bennifit of the whole, many illnesses enter through the dis-harmonic weakness points. Beyond food herbs vitamns etc... I think this idea in an energy sence is more of the key.
This approach is getting better results.

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by the way what has this got to do with MA after you discover energy (chi ki prana gooy stuff what ever) and you learn to hit better etc... what will you do next what about the rest of your life, there has to be more to all this than just fighting.
And the fact that so many styles from monks
In japanese arts there is shinto, in chinese and others there is buddha, then there are hindu beliefs and so on, all of this blending with a martial art that by its own deffinition means to fight. These kongjin or whatever name you like are all connected somehow and it is that somehow that is what is important to discover

just part of my soapbox

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My little journey at the moment is mainly towards the martial. One day I may venture in another direction, only time will tell...

kun.......do you really think that is all you are focused on every day you wake up you do so because of another journey you are already on


anyway the thread was to hear from others what they have seen or done it does not have to be as deep as the last few post.
anybody

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"My personal belief is that the body is a collective of consciousness from the whole down to the cell level there is a form of intent. Not like thoughts in the mind that is just funtional this is different. This in unison works for the bennifit of the whole"

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if you have heard of Leibniz' philosophical system, you will be struck by the analogy to the monad. If not, not ...


RT

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Health, healing and longevity is the goal of Tai Chi Chuan. To live out our years with out illness and keeping our bodies in motion (a moving hinge does not rust) The basis of empty force is chi development. In healing or sexual techniques chi development can be passed, felt, ect. Without touch. It is nothing more then cultivating ones body thru standard Chi Gung practice. Martial use is not effective or if it is, is only because of high ability of martial techniques. Having someone hit the wall behind you with out touching them is good listening, leading and yielding skills not Kong jing. We can help to heal but it comes down to the actual person. They have the power to eliminate illness with in their own body. Sometimes it takes someone to point the way or a battery jump of chi or just a different view of dis-ease. Peace for now.

wu...have you ever "hit the wall"

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robt.... not sure what you are refering to

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Leibniz is my pet philosopher

He came up with a system based around monads (monad = single unit of substance)

They act rather like organisational principles (hold within them all predicates that are true for their "body")

The trick is though, the "body" which they describe isn't real ... it's just what would be there if the monad was describing something! (L's philosophy is idealist - amongst other things he denies existence of space and time, as well as concrete objects - but we are talking at a different level here)

Applying the system, one could say that these monads (organisational principles) all work together in the e.g. human body.

There would be an over-monad which holds all together, a monad governing the functioning of the liver, a monad for each blood cell etc.

All the way down through the sub-atomic level and beyond (L - "God abhors a vacuum". Hence his system is based around a plenum)


I was just reminded of it by:
"body is a collective of consciousness from the whole down to the cell level there is a form of intent. Not like thoughts in the mind that is just funtional this is different. This in unison works for the benifit of the whole"

RT

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Agira, I was simply pointing out Techniques/energys that are more effective in a martial situation than Kong Jing or could be confused as Kong Jing to one who witnessed such an event.

wu... I understand what you were saying I was just asking if you yourself have been able to do this

robt...I understand the deeper level you refer to very much along what I think, ands the time and space thing you refered to I absolutly understand that idea. The difference may be in our idea of what they are how they are created and more importantly why. In fact this is key to really understanding the control aspect of alteration of substance.
I am surprised you like that guy given his abstract thinking

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Yes, it happens to be one of my favorites I teach Tai Chi Chuan fighting methods as well as healing Chi Gung at our local hospital where I am employed.

wonderful in the future we will have a lot to talk about, it is very important to me, part of my life dedication or mission so to speak

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Aqira - it is precisely because of the abstract nature of the thought that I like Leibniz.

That combined with the fact that, although it is abstract and maybe even a little esoteric at times, it is well thought out and rigorously explained and developed.

Hence it is something that you can really get your teeth into. He really is one of the most inventive and original thinkers in the cannon

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Rob
Do you find E Kant interesting Do you like his writings
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