Does motion move?

See this appears to be similar to the tree falling in the forest question. Did it make a sound if noone was there to hear it

If there is no conscious perception of movement is it still there movement

Are you stating that all things in this material plane of existance are still not real. Just what we are lebeling real
All change is movement, though all change is not growth.

Im a little lost I suppose whith the point of all this.

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understanding the fundamentals of motion (mind motion) leads to whole new relms of awarness

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well for this i have to say there is an old philospher who argued that nothing is real except for what we persieve. perhaps someone has stated this already, it is a chance because i didn't read the whole thread, sorry . Its all bogus. there are atoms that are held together through conditions and energy and everything else. it doesn't take a brain or mind being present for these to act upon each other. Do you think that there was nothing in existance before there was man to conceive of it maybe i missed the boat but... yeah, the motion exists.

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ok so i see what someone else was arguing as well, about the reality of relationship movement. to any singular object, it doesn't move, everything around it moves. but everything around it can be a singular object as well and the original singular object would be around it and that object wouldn't be moving as well. the reference point can change and thus movement can't be defined. but you see, there is no reference point because movement doesn't have to be persieved to exist is what i was originally saying. things would move in relationship to eachother even if there was no one to be the reference point. basically, there is no reference point. kinda hard to start something without a reference point though HAHAH

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that may be a simple reactive motion...consider if there is a difference between reactive and responsive motion and what that difference would be

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“	Originally Posted By: aqira that may be a simple reactive motion...consider if there is there a difference between reactive and responsive motio and what that difference would be	”

that is a new thread altogether! I will have to contimplate on that for a while, but if i had to make a quick answer I would say reactive motion is caused because of the physical movement of another, perhaps from displacement or another PHYSCIAL effect, and responsive motion happens because of the observation of another movement. this answer may change after i think about it though

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don't forget to read my other edit! hahahaha

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beraducci...
You started to say it in another post; relational reality is how motion is perceived by the differences which is the very same formula used to perceived its structure. So in that sense motion is known as some form or structure though defining it without the relational reference is difficult.
It also indicates a limit in that there is a before motion, a motion, and the result of it. So motion is limited, yet it is motion that is the essence of creativity in reality and structured reality is totally dependent on it.
But creativity should not be inside the limits of limit. In fact how could it be
Yet conceptually we accept change perhaps we should have gone back to that. Is change isolated

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you seem to be able to make Aqira's thoughts a little more understandable...

help me out please....

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there´s no change

there´s no motion
there´s no mind
there´s no spoon




errr, now what is that emotion in my mind when i see this lady


other possibility
all motions are reflection of the pearl

there´s motion in the mind
there´s mind in the mind
there´s spoon in the mind

hmmm.......

Great discussion can I play The mind moves, energy moves the motion of things because of intelligence and feeling of our central nervous system in humans. Our thoughts and ideas do not move us, energy moves us it is that energy that we open awareness to and where thoughts come from in the first place.

When we die we may go nowhere (non motion in a sense) the energy slips back into the formless that limited senses can not perceive with out a physical thing to “look at” the limited sensing equipment perceives things as moving because of what is still in relation and comparison of the mechanical mind but energy is always present still or in motion life or death energy is the great cause giving effect to the degree of manifestation of yin and yang form and formless energies in a person or thing.

We do not push or pull any thing the mind makes the shape of pushing or pulling onto another object but looking from above nothing moved it is still in the same space the mechanical mind thinks things are different and not the same.

Make something out of what is found around us, change the form and smash it, first it was good then it was bad and broken yet nothing changed or moved from space. we may be a wiggle of energy with no defining edges yet man fights man in a struggle with there own energy system thinking or blaming anything in their path instead of looking inside, going into the tigers cave so to speak, cowardly action seeking to be strong and powerful over others, a crime against nature, a crime against oneself. I’m I rambling whoops

“	Originally Posted By: Spirit Boxer Great discussion can I play	”

sure...
we like to play

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all hail Martyr Fakka

That is my favorite too! thanks Chief

If you can remain still enough, you will find that the ripples cease and there is stillness. Focus on each moment and live in the here and now. There, in that place, there is no time or movement.
That moment is Every Moment.

LancNah.

<<Focus on each moment >.

you might want to read the thread again

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Why? What am I missing? Sorry to be un-Taoist and to quote a (Zen) Buddhist, but "So what?" As far as I can see, the Nature of all this motion and non-motion is commonplace and we all live in it here and now. Whether we "understand" it in mystical or philosophical terms is a red herring. Like the weather and its phenomena, it's all part of the Tao and we should get on with more pressing things.

can you focus on motion? or only the result

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