Does motion move?

motion is a dragon pearl
however....
Does motion move

Consider ...motion or what appears to be motion has only one direction. The mind may conceive other directions but what are they really Are they other directions or are they reference

Motion is generated, it moves from the source of its generation on a path to its objective. This looks like motion because we see a comparison of over here and over there and we believe we can move from over here to over there. But do we Are objects really moved
Relational reality changes through and by motion but does it really move

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your getting into einsteins theory of motion.
basically einstein, believed that the space, distance time is moving to us, and therefore we catch up to the place.so the destination is moving to us rather than, we moving to the destination.this is the basis for nearly all quantum mechanics.

this occured to him whilst taking to the train, amazing what situations can develop as regards theory and such.

Why stop with Einstein

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Why stop with Einstein
When Heisenberg had so much more funny things to add...



Not so strange that people aren't responding all together at once at this thread....
I myself have opened it a couple of times today and am not sure what to say.

But since we're here to learn I'll have a shot at it anyways

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Nope...
Still nothing.

Maybe later,

Chief108

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all hail Martyr Fakka

so chief...you started to think about it...looked inside the mind ...and found nothing moving

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looks that way, doesn't it

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*brainstorming mode on*
Does motion move. If I un-question your question, I might very well say: does a "stop" not move A stop has no objective. On a deeper level, it "appears to need" no objective, while motion "appears to need" an objective.

So what could make a motion move A change of objective would. Or a moving motion would need and therefore change objectives.

If I apply motion without a defined objective, it moves and is free.

The only motion that doesn´t move is a thought with a defined objective, its not creative.

*brainstorming mode off*

Forgive me if it doesn´t make sense, but if I would claim that, I would also contradict myself

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necro...following that line of thought

reality is a result- reality as known -is a conclusion, so reality would be the stop- yet it is found in the path of change, it changes it becomes something else it is dependent on change for its existence.
Change is from and to...is that motion
or does it only referr to motion
Motion may be implyed but does that mean it happened
Is motion tangable can it be thought of the motion that occured and the motion that will occure if so neither of them exist in the now.
so where is motion kept where is it found

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So, motion as a change in the relative nature of things, not movement. The bending/warping of the "fabric" of space/time. Hmmm... still wanting to think a bit more about it too Chief. Motion as change. Is change movement (Spatial description) or motion (Dynamic description) I feel it comes down the flow/exchange/structure or state of energy again. Everything is really expressions/states of energy fundamentally anyway, no Is there movement, or simply relativistic changes in energy I'll bet relativity is closer to the "truth." Need to think on this a bit more...

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The more I know, the less I learn; the more I learn, the less I know.

"reality is a result- reality as known -is a conclusion, so reality would be the stop"
Agreed, our percieved reality is a stop. We put it into a frame for a moment and watch it. Yet It still moves while we are watching.

"yet it is found in the path of change, it changes it becomes something else it is dependent on change for its existence."
D´accord

"Change is from and to...is that motion"
"or does it only refer to motion"
I´ll keep my thinking method here, a change from-to is motion, a change from-to about there is dynamic process which you can define as motion.

"Motion may be implyed but does that mean it happened"
You can imply motion happens and you can´t be wrong, but implying THAT motion happens is an statement of insecurity.

"Is motion tangable can it be thought of the motion that occured and the motion that will occure if so neither of them exist in the now."
You can remember the past, you can see the now and you can think about the future. Then you can see, remember and compare.
So the now is indeed a stop, but it stops only to be understood.

"so where is motion kept where is it found"
Oof...
Kept in the core of thing
found in the core of mind



..air is getting thin now...

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Does the "now" exist Or is it merely the one dimensional hinge or shift point between the objective of the future, and the objective of the past If space/time is one big continuum, and all time "exists" concurrently, then there is no now, only relative positions of reality - either the future or the past, both terms of relative reality, or reflections/images of change as motion.

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the now would not exist beyond the referrences of past and future. It becomes implied as a substance

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Motion is change in the relationship of two or more constructs- ideas, objects, conditions (can a condition exist without a point of reference) etc.

einstein posited that all motion is relative. However, Heisenberg proposed that all observed events are effected by the presence of the observer. SO: Is relative motion objectively observable
This thread brings to mind the first time I watched a TTC master go thru the Yang short form. There were a few times that I saw the posture but not the movement in between.
I asked him to repeat "cloud hands" and it took a few times thru to actually observe the movement.

interesting.

Before I continue I had answered the last post in deatil about 6 paragraphs- it posted as the one line that appears above but that line was in the middle of my answer and is only one part of a sentence.
I tried again but it would not post. I signed off and back on two more attempts it would not post.

so I changed some of what I wrote and the following is the changed post

What changes If something an object or an event is defined the one thing they have in common is they are substantive, or substance. When substance is changed it is still substance only the definition has changed. The definition changes the substance but who or what changes the definition. The relationship to the cause is an encounter but is motion required for an encounter
The substance is effected, the substance becomes something else or at least its identity and description is something else.
The change from what it was to what it has become appears as a form of motion. The motion in relational reality demands that there is a change as the relationships of everything certainly has changed.

Motion causes and this is a form of effect. The primordial formula states that outcomes produce effects that produce outcomes. Change is creative as change is created and what is changes is a recreation.

Does that mean it moved

Take a series of photos of an object- change the position of the object in relationship to another object. Then thumbs through them quickly they become moving pictures or movies but they do not move. Though they do not move something does.

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therefore, does the very existence of the observer cause the motion Ixs there motion without an observer