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July 12th, 2001, 10:09 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | And most of all, he's dead, died at an age where most internal masters really begin to achieve most development of really stunning skills.
What you said is not far off, however, this thread was more of a trolling, as it was around qi powers of ... teenager guys fighting in NHB bare knuckle tournaments (no, not in Manga comics ala Dragonball, real). Be assured you find a lot of mostly seniors who can do such sort of things, but, they don't fight in tournaments. Ma Yuehliang for example did something to a friend of me: He pointed to an area on his arm, and the hairs where raising like from electricity. Okay. Then he pointed to the area on the arm of my friend, and the same happened... | 
July 15th, 2001, 09:59 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Interesting! hey nik,
yeah i've read a few of your posts, you have some real insights!
wanna be my sparring partner 
that whole hair standing up thing is really interesting, but I wonder how things like that could ultimatley be fused into real world application, because I mean for some it's a journey of spirituality and self development, It's all that for me but I guess I tend to look for the stuff I can use now to help keep me out of trouble.
I don't really know much about bare knuckle comps because I don't really believe in "competition" as such, but man just like any discipline i've found that what works most for me is just doing it..
i'm a proffesional musician and more than formality and tradition I chose just to go out and play (ofcourse without learning the roots of anything you can't make it your own) but 'for me' this is what allowed me to make great strides, and martial arts were the same..
I live in Australia and we don't have a huge martial arts trad. here there is alot of rubbish and guys that can do "tricks" but then again we do have people like William Chueng and others..
so nik,
give me some insight! have you been able to apply any 'chi' related things in real world confrontations or do you think it's a really, on going process where you have to do it for a long time before the two cross over
and yeah bruce is dead, and i'm the last person to be "following" icons and idols, but it's always helped me to think of his philosophies in training to always keep me focused and reaching the right goals. | 
July 16th, 2001, 06:46 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | I think, Chen Xiaowang, the current "standard bearer" of the 19. generation Chen family taiji is located in Australia. There should be a lot of people around him who could teach a lot.
Second, there is some difficulty explaining how such "tricks" fit into applications. It is more or less in some instance an anticipation and "seeing" thing, making it possible to attack a point of an attacker he will be going to, not where he currently is.
Second, it is an intimidation and "frightening" thing. I used this in a low level "confrontation", where someone just pissed me off in the wrong moment. I spoke in a calm way something like "You are going on my nerves", no "I get your liver and eat it". Just I felt in that moment an big instant wish to really tear him into pieces, and had a heavy tickling in the area of behind throat. Although Italians usually never quit talking, the whole restaurant stopped talking for a quarter of an hour (until I left), and the particular guy for weeks.
What is not covered by such "tricks" is a pure physical output of letting such feelings do what can be done, say, making muscles contract with a extreme speed, taking everything with them trying to hinder it. Whatever the biological thing is what is happening, it simply results in higher amount of power. Someone using this in a organized fashion appears as immovable, or wood. A strike with a powered body feels like being pushed from a swinging 1,000 pounds wood pole, however it is powered, it is a pure physical thing. A major part of internal practice is making ones body capable of tolerating the stress put onto itself from this amount of strength. | 
July 17th, 2001, 08:46 AM
| | Beginner | | Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Australia Year(s): 10
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Some tips. All verrrrrrry interesting!
nik do you suggest some ways for someone like me to start building this up
i'm learning the Tai Chi Chuan forms at the moment,
should I just do everything in training really slowly and concentrate on chi flowing through my body
and will it just eventualy start to cross over into everything
thanks nik! | 
July 17th, 2001, 09:10 AM
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Rep Power: 100 | | | It will, once you concentrate on nothing (that is because it is called nothingness), and leave everything alone just doing the exercises, enjoying what happens, liking movement. Slow moving, very slow, is a key to begin. To "control" one thing is not learning the other ten points. Not concentrating on any of that "ten" is leaving up to them how to organize. Since you learned a lot of things not concentrating which muscle goes first, I see no reason why there could be a need to do on inner power. The most obvious point is, a child walks from seeing something it wants to go to, and just starts going. Only the eager ones want to speed everything, also the growing of the grass, so they sit there and watch if it really does. If you do not forget watering it, it will, if you look, or not, same speed. Watering is doing the exercises, with no goal. Later goals come from doing slow and easy pushing hands.
The other thing is taking time to accept feelings. There are reasons why and how to protect against someone, and there are solutions when not to. Accepting that which exist, and not producing insights on that coming from just someone believing, is done with standing pole, or with just sitting there, doing nothing, and letting feelings make themself talking. I had to change a lot of habits, not knowing before which is a bad one from the point of the soul. | 
September 20th, 2001, 05:06 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | To comment on the quotes about style and studying different ones and not having a teacher rember this if you read nothing else I post.....
THE ROOT OF THE ARTS IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THEM NOT YEARS OF STUDY.
Im not saying you dont have to study hard just that if you understand the root of the arts in general than you can learn a style and how it works very quickly. It is a matter of understanding this that allows a person to quickly absorb a style. I study JKD and so it is obvious that I would say this but my own study of the arts has brought me a deeper knowledge of them beyond style and form. Im not saying im a martial arts genius just that I understand these things and am not blinded by style or forms. | 
September 25th, 2001, 07:47 AM
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