Cold energy

Anybody know anything about cold energy From what I have read it is pretty common for people to feel a warm or tingling sensation when they manifest energy. When I train with energy I also feel tingling and warmth but only when the the energy is inside my body. When the energy gets close to the skin or when it leaves the body ( jin emission for example) it is cold. The stronger my concentration is the colder it gets. Actually anytime I am calm my youngquan and laogong cavitys are cold. And it is not just something I sense. The energy is cold to other people as well. It is easily sensed when I project my energy in their direction. Or if touched a handshake even on the hottest day when concentrated my hands are unaturally cold. Just incase your thinking poor circulation the chances are very unlikely. I am 21 years old and fit enough not to have problems with circulation.

wow lucky you I have the reverse my hands become incredibley hot like theyre gonna combust............

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Sounds kinda painful. Do you feel any other sensations when you practice How long does it usually take for you to cultivate such an intense feeling If someone touches your hand will they naturally retract because it is to hot Can you tell me some of the effects that you feel when you practice

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Wow, go ask any doctor - just coz yer fit, dont mean you cant have bad circulation.

Rather than do the "its the cheeee doood!" route, I would suggest you take a look at your environment a little more critically first.

Do you work in an office Wheres the air con Where are you in relation to it Draughts at home Where do you sit Near a door Mainly on the floor (like me) Are you hot or cold generally when you feel particular parts of your body to be hot/cold Are your hands unusually hot or cold given where you are, the time of day, what you're doing

Being a bit more critical might reveal an overlooked answer, and not necessarily the "its the CHEEEEEEEE dood" flavour you might be hoping for.

Besides, I've read several books, seen discussions on here, and spoken to quite a few people to say that if you're feeling cold during qi gong etc, then you're either doing it wrong, or you have a blockage, or you're desperately ill.

Now surely, you dont want to fit into any of these categories

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Interesting. . . that could be . . . I have heard a number of things like that in the past as well as things that differ from it. . How troublesome that the truth still eludes me. Why dont you humor me a little. If it is not any of the things mentioned above what might it be then. Suggestions anyone. Qigong something that the chinese have studied for over a thousand years. Countless treasures have been lost through time and misfortune. A whole life time devoted to Qigong may only reveal a single puzzle piece. Although some maybe knowledgable I think it is foolish to take the word of a single man as the final authority.So I have research many and read many interesting things. And I arrive in a room with many different accounts and opinions. Qigong is to complicated, to elusive to be mapped out like a simple math problem. It seems that many people experience many different things. While they all maybe accurate accounts they all can differ. Unique to each individual in some cases. I guess the answer I seek is waiting for me to find it.

My guess is that the circulated energy that you are beginning to train within, doesn't reach your extremities. What is there, cold, gets forced out. Sounds like an elementary block to me, or something I'm unfamiliar with. Whatever the cause, I think it might be better to work on gentle internal work, with supervision, and not even think of projecting energy until progress has been made along those lines.

I think you'll do fine,
passingthru

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Qi blockage. . . you think that the energy is not reaching the youngquan and laogong cavities. Once again I do not believe this is the case. . . My four gates breathing is strong and has grown stronger with practice. I can easily put a flame out from a distance of two feet with minimal intention and the flick of my wrist. Not that the distance is great but I used to struggle with 5 inches. Anyway if the energy was not reaching my extremities and beyond the candle would not go out.

Your experience requires more of an expert opinion. There might be times when something unexpected occurs with good reason. The energy is expressed differently for a reason (blocks, transformation, leaks). People do not necessarily develop evenly or according to the same sequence. I wonder what Yang Jwing-Ming would think of your description

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passingthru

I also wonder what Dr.Yang Jwing-Ming would think.

He'd write a book, like he always does.

“	Interesting. . . that could be . . . I have heard a number of things like that in the past as well as things that differ from it. . How troublesome that the truth still eludes me. Why dont you humor me a little. If it is not any of the things mentioned above what might it be then. Suggestions anyone. Qigong something that the chinese have studied for over a thousand years. Countless treasures have been lost through time and misfortune. A whole life time devoted to Qigong may only reveal a single puzzle piece. Although some maybe knowledgable I think it is foolish to take the word of a single man as the final authority.So I have research many and read many interesting things. And I arrive in a room with many different accounts and opinions. Qigong is to complicated, to elusive to be mapped out like a simple math problem. It seems that many people experience many different things. While they all maybe accurate accounts they all can differ. Unique to each individual in some cases. I guess the answer I seek is waiting for me to find it.	”

True. Chinese have been researching this for 1000's of years, however even in modern day society, there is still little accepted evidence based research to show that it has any effect over that of placebo.

Granted, there may be some element of truth in that it is possible to do something at will for a practical benefit - but isn't this a loose basis for religion (I couldn't see, He touched me, and then I could see)

Humour you I dont need to humour you, you do a good enough job of making me smile as it is!

Tell me one thing though. If qi gong is so hard, so mystical, and yet so different from person to person, how will you ever know if you are doing it correctly Surely the basis to know if you are doing something right or wrong is to be able to conform to a common outcome (i.e. 10 people do the same thing, 10 [or statistically significant number] similar outcomes)

If 10 people does the same thing, and say on 3 people the desired outcome was achieved, 3 people nothing happened, and on 4 people something unexpected happened - would you say that the Thing that had been done was successful, useful or predictable Would you say that your desired outcome is achievable through this method I wouldnt.

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Looose basis for religion. Over 4000 years chinese have researched and built there life around qigong. From message to acupuncture, the food they eat to war qigong is something that is well intergrated into there society. Sounds to me like you have answered your own question. And while western culture considers things like buddism a religion it is considered a way of life at its orgin. Guess it just depends on your way of thinking.

You are right. In order for something to be considered right or wrong, good or bad there has to be a norm established something that all others can be judged in relation to . Kind of like a control group in an experiment. What matters most I ask myself the result or the way I achieved it. There is a test that is pretty common among people for testing jin. Its with a candle. Generally you punch at a candle from a distance 1 foot two feet maybe and if your jin is powerful, concentrated and accurate the candle should go out. In my case the desired result was achieved. There is another test as well. You place your hand directly above a flame normally about an inch is between your hand and the flame (palm down). And if your qi is strong you should not feel the effects of the heat at all. No burn, No heat, No black marks. In my case this was also a sucess. maybe I shouldnt concern myself with sensations. Which vary so much from person to person. But even then I have read that energy is sensed in many different ways by different people temp changes, tingling, trembling, enflated feelings. So even though the results vary the result I experienced was still satisfactory in relation to the norm that was presented. It seems that I too have answered my own question

Ten people in an experiment. . . I would say that the test was a failure. There were too many different outcomes probably a failure in design. I would search for a way to limit the extraneous variables and seek results that are more consistent.

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I am no expert in qigong in fact my exposure to it is limited i only got interseted in it as a compliment to my wing chun training and the fact that my hands are capable of generating a large amount of heat.......i have been told recently by a western doctor that my metabolism and immune system are running at a very high rate and that this my account for the heat (its not just my hands sometimes my whole body runs hot)........i have a friend who is a qigong instructor/practisioner and she says its evidence of chi flow (which i like the sound of) and have now incorporated a few qigong techs into my warm up on her recommendation..........erwinviser how cold is cold i have experienced heat as a cold sensation before now

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Sorry I cant whip out a thermometer and give you an accurate reading. How cold the air is varies with my concentration. The more relaxed, calm and focused I am the stronger the sensation. Inside the freezer is to cold but if you put your hand about a foot in front of it you will have an idea of what it feels like when I am 20 minutes into my training. Do you know anything about reiki I recently read about a technique that was referred to as sea breeze. They say the energy used for this technique is cold. I also read that they can manifest their energy as warm or cold. I thought it sounded interesting. Ever hear anything similar

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my curiosity is peeked.................i have a friend who practces rieki but wont be seeing her until the summer but will be on her case for a demo.........................

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