cosmos palm

“	Originally Posted By: Nik Don't strike hard, just drop the hand.	”

Quite possibly the most important part of it all.



As for boards... ah, whatevers. Try a pumpkin.....


But trees? I'll leave that to boss man.....

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Don't use a mattress its way too soft.

Get a log with the bark still on it; a good size is about 6 to 8 inches across about 3 feet long so there is a good weight. Start with laying it flat later you can switch to a tree. This can be used by cupping the hand to fit the rounded log as well as flat strikes with the base of the palm and center of the hand etc... There are three key elements, first don't hurry,hit harder than is slightly uncomfortable- stay constant with the training routine and schedules-three use a jow before and after.
This is not really iron palm development as it is only one phase the conditioning phase but it is an important part and it is the place to start. You need some conditioning developed before you start an effective program.

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VERY IMPORTANT TO DROP HAND.
Initially I used bag (burlap) filled with sand.
Next bag with river rocks
Next bag with steele shot like filling
Spend ample time on each phase,it pays off later. DO not forget your breathing and mental focus (most important).
Do Not RUSH. It is not a race.
Jeff(fuzzy30)

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Hi everyone. Since I am a disciple of Sifu Wong Kiew Kit, and since I've been trained in this art, I thought I would offer my perspective.

Cosmos Palm is my teacher's translation of the Chinese art known as Hun Yuan Zhang (混元掌). The main difference between this art and Iron Palm (Tie Sha Zhang 鐵砂掌) is that one uses primarily external training methods, while the other uses purely internal training methods.

With Cosmos Palm, there is no external training. There is no striking or hitting of anything. The training is purely internal. The only time you actually hit something is later when you test your force. For example, after training Cosmos Palm for a few years, you can test your force by stacking two bricks (without spacers) and breaking the bottom brick without breaking the top. Years later, you can stack three bricks and break the top one, the middle one, or the bottom one selectively.

But more impressive (to me, at least) is the ability of Cosmos Palm to heal -- both the practitioner, and other people. The internal energy of Cosmos Palm is dynamic and alive, and it is excellent for promoting health and vitality. The same energy can also be used to stimulate acupoints, just like acupuncture but without the needles. As a graduate student in acupuncture and Chinese medicine, I can honestly say that the results are remarkable.

For those who are curious, you can read more about this art in my teacher's books, particularly "The Art of Chi Kung" and "The Complete Book of Shaolin." However, an arcane art like Cosmos Palm cannot be effectively learned from a book. It must be learned directly from a high-level master.

Be well,

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Anthony - thanks for sharing that information. I think you've clearly defined the differences between iron palm and cosmos palm (by the way, I, too, highly suggest reading Sifu Wong Kiew Kit's books, if you have the opportunity).

Now, as far as external iron palm training is concerned, since it seems to have come up often in this thread..... (this is for all who care to answer).

1. Are you actively training in iron palm skills?

2. Did you begin iron palm training on your own accord, or did your teacher introduce the skill to you?

3. How much time do you devote to iron palm training (i.e., time per day, days per week, etc.).

4. How long have you been developing your iron palm?

5. Describe your current set up for training...

6. How long did you work each phase of training before progressing to the next level?

7. What measures do you take after each session to prevent injury?

8. What is your motivation for achieving iron palm?




I'm always curious to know stuff like this. Here are my own answers:

1. Yes, I'm actively training iron palm.

2. My teacher introduced the skill to me several years ago.

3. Usually 2-3 days per week, about two hours per session (depending on how many other students are training with me at the time).

4. At this rate, I've been training for approximately 1.5 years.

5. Since I'm a Hung Gar student, I use a Tiger Iron Palm table. I use three bags (both separately and simultaneously), two weighing 15 lbs. and one weighing 30 lbs., all filled with mung beans mounted on oak.

6. If one considers the "phases" to be the material that you're striking, then I'm still on the first phase.

7. I use dit da jow on my hands before and after training, and also do a series of finger manipulation exercises after each session.

8. My motivation for developing iron palm is to have more or less a "secret" weapon that I can pull out at any time.


Here's a picture...

http://www.dragonslist.com/gallery/s...iginal=1&c=501

Chris

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thanks everyone, of course i was completely off topic and asking for something to train punches (after aqira was knocking airpunching which really is kinda boring), but those nice tips on iron palm i might find a use for as well

my black hole fist is superior to Cosmos Palm.

as far as I kow Even Iron palm is not dependent on banging your hand on stuff. Its more about all the minutae of a strike.
when you have that all correct you dont need to bash your hands into burning sand or pound them on sandbags.

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“	Originally Posted By: PaiLumUmar as far as I kow Even Iron palm is not dependent on banging your hand on stuff. Its more about all the minutae of a strike.	”

I disagree.

Most of us understand that iron palm is not about "banging your hand on stuff"; however, how do you suppose you develop the "minutia of a strike" - especially those minor details specific to iron palm - if you don't have something to provide resistance? You must be able to feel what it is you're doing in practicing and developing the strike(s), in addition to conditioning the outside of your hand. Even if one does the Art of a Thousand Punches, they still would not develop the same skill as iron palm - it's different.

Chris

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I agree Chris iron palm artist condition though some methods vary at the same time it is also about projection or getting the power out through the palm. That is different than delivery of power it's more of a transfer.

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Along with transfer is conditioning. Once someone developes enough power in their striking, one of two things can happen. What you strike will break, or what you strike with will break. Then again, Iron Palm training alone will not help you if you don't have proper hand positioning. Although proper Iron Palm conditioning should have already taught that lesson.

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there is no striking anything thats wat appeals to me its all qi gongs all i found out about it was "pushing the mountain" "big windmill" and something else i cant remenber to aquire its benefits

But the ultimate technique" lets not forget the gutmasher legbreaker heartstopper spinecleaver lifewrencher palm of forgotten lore
I really don't know how the ppl out there hit so hard without breaking their palm, but there are some pretty interesting things out there. Speaking of which I have 2 questions:
1> Is comet drop a feasible action or is it just in anime
2> Why does this part of the forum get called the twilight zone?

“	Originally Posted By: Antonius With Cosmos Palm, there is no external training. There is no striking or hitting of anything. The training is purely internal. The only time you actually hit something is later when you test your force. For example, after training Cosmos Palm for a few years, you can test your force by stacking two bricks (without spacers) and breaking the bottom brick without breaking the top. Years later, you can stack three bricks and break the top one, the middle one, or the bottom one selectively.	”

so is it like transmitting vibrations to another brick? If thats the case, would it be possible to sunder a weapon by striking it and causing the vibrations to bypass its hardness.

“	Originally Posted By: Antonius However, an arcane art like Cosmos Palm cannot be effectively learned from a book. It must be learned directly from a high-level master. Be well,	”

u mean its magic? I can go with Ki, Qi, and Chi but magic is outside my realm of belief. I acknowledge that it exists but the only experience that we might have with it is from a jin possessing a person.

“	Originally Posted By: gooddragon1 so is it like transmitting vibrations to another brick? If thats the case, would it be possible to sunder a weapon by striking it and causing the vibrations to bypass its hardness.	”

No. Well, you could try, but you'd probably just end up with a few broken bones... or perhaps a stump for an arm?
Depends on the weapon.

Novice,




Oh, and by the way, I don't mean to sound critical of you.
It's just that alot of your ideas about martial arts are, well...

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“	Originally Posted By: dragon_palm is there any one who can tell me how to train cosmos palm	”

Cosmos Palm Recipe

Ingredients

4 parts Citron Vodka
2 parts Cointreau or Triple Sec
2 parts Cranberry Juice
1 part Lime Fresh Juice


Oh wait! That's Cosmopolitan Martini Palm! Sorry

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