cosmos palm

Fu Jow Chris

My training has been very simaler to yours initually. My teacher made what I started using on my hands. You heated to the point you could hardly stand to put your hands in it. I did that prior to and after working. This was done for about 6months. Practice was daily.

After 6 months,I used purchased jow prior to,half way through and then after working. Massauge hands and expanding fingers after as well.

I do not recall how long I used the sand filled bag nor the one filled with river rocks. However long it took to change them to something like sand.

I then moved onto the final bag filled with steel bearings. I have used that for a couple years now. I still jow up prior to,during and after practice.

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“	Originally Posted By: dragon_palm i read about before sifu wong kiew kit trained with his teacher he trained iron but could never break a brick then his teacher taught him cosmos palm and he broke a brick.and you only need to do qigong to gain such power is there any one who can tell me how to train cosmos palm	”

Its another way of saying hunyuan palm. This is taught in a old chinese book on iron palm which was plagarised by mclisa under instant iron palms or complete iron palm for self-defense which is basically the same book. Its part this book and li ying arng's iron palm in 100 days book. They also put out a movie reel of him training which is now on youtube.

The exercise is basically the 4 steps arts of 72 consumate shaolin skills minus a few techniques. Which is basically the 8 pieces of brocade minus some techniques. So you have one arm down one arm up pressing the palm up, switch, the other arm up the other down press that palm up. Two palms press the sky and two palms press the ground (push mountains).

However there is a difference in the training. When you press you lock the knee's tight and the feet are together aligned parallel. This is a old hsing-i methodology and resembles standing like a military officer. You only do 3 reps left and right and 3 reps pressing the sky and 3 reps pressing the ground. Done with the knee lock while pressing its quite powerful.

The claim is you can break bricks in 100 days without training on the bag. You see similar routines in the green dragon iron palm, which is not so much a hand hardening routine than a qigong routine to move energy to the hands. I have the kwan fu version which is better than the green dragon which is two verions with gene chicione and allen.

Prof. keen has some dvd's out now and one on stages of iron palm which is not 18 daoist palms lineage is the green dragon iron palm I think. The difference in the qigong is the manner of locking the knee's while pressing. You can feel the difference. Also wong trains the arm rotations which is a pretty basic obligatory warm up. There are several methods of rotating the arms however but the idea is to rotate the arms which is actually a hidden secret to the internal iron palm.

I'll leave it at that. I know people that have burned out their pancreas with too much training of push mountains so be careful. The one thing I dont know is how they train to allow the hand to harden up as one website claims. This type of iron palm is similar to the level 2 iron palm coconut break level saving the levels of pushing water.

Oh yeah and of course the embracing the tree which in my opinion is not really part of the original hunyuan qigong anyways. There are many things which add to the internal iron palm and its basically a mix and match but the basic components seem to be the same.

“	Originally Posted By: GuiLongUmar my black hole fist is superior to Cosmos Palm. as far as I kow Even Iron palm is not dependent on banging your hand on stuff. Its more about all the minutae of a strike. when you have that all correct you dont need to bash your hands into burning sand or pound them on sandbags.	”

Iron palm CAN be hand conditioning with qigong. But real internal methods use no striking. There is a method of using a wind up and then stopping before you hit that is used to blow up tumors and cysts, usually in the abdomen only as the head or upper chest could be dangerous. This resembles very closely the "throw off" in magnetic healing.

There is a vcd set on wudushou (five poison hand) and its funny they never hit anything they wind up and RRRRRRT stops right before the bag. The idea is with the right construction of the herbs and poisons in the striking material if you bruise your hand and dont use the right antidote external hand wash, you get sick from the poison and the damaged cells become mutagenic and it spreads like a tumor eating the whole hand away.

According to legend of course but its kind of 'scary' how they never actually hit the bag like they are scared of it.

Right. Don't forget to bath your hands in radioactive substances.

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I am new here and would just like to mention that Cosmos Palm (which I just call Iron Palm) is not just some scam.....it is a highly effective technique when practised well with Internal form. I for one Train highly in Iron Palm, although I do not condition my hands at all!

This technique as well as all soft internal techniques is also very practical, your probably thinking yeah right but seriously, it is easy to use in combat and is one reason why it is so easily applied is that Distraction plays a big part in Internal fighting arts. Distraction on something else, not your strike clears your mind which helps with Internal fighting. When you are in a fight your focus is on your oponant not your strike, and this is a good thing when useing Internal Fighting meathods.

And Nik you mentioned earlier that any grown man can break a brick, and that maybe so if you are talking about pavers, I for one live in australia where Australian standard bricks are hard!! harder then american standard bricks and much harder then chinese standard bricks. A coconut break can measure a mans power, lets see a grown man break a coconut with brute force, I doubt very much. A coconut taking 1500 psi and the human skull taking 1400 psi.

You overread the end of the sentence - it said "EITHER nonsense OR something that is well known in CMA circles and nothing 'magic'". Iron palm exists, and the internal strength version of that is real and works well. IF and when you have internal strength / jin, to use.

One half of the people tries to imply that it's some weird, magic, "energy throwing" that transcends man, room and time and magically kills everything (tumors, cysts, whatever you want).

The other that it's just some practice for internal strength to the hands, just like any other fajin, with its numerous ways of "pronouncing" that has effects vary. Just some people like to exaggerate the latter, and that it's only REALLY strong if it's Master <insert your teachers name>'s special secret palm variation.

There are two things that are achieved. First, compression. This breaks a coconut, and yes, if that is not some "prepared" one, it needs a bit of prowess. Second, shockwave. This does not break stuff but tear and shock organs in the way of the wave. In any case, there is no "magic energy from cosmos" that "travels" from the hands, whatever way you "translate" the hunyuan. But "cosmos lightning palm of the devil gods of space" sounds so much cooler than "internal strength iron palm". I happen to be a bit fed up about that, especially because most of the time, the "secrets" are just off-the-shelve generic internal strength building routines EVERYONE knows. The really secret methods are very rarely mentioned, although they're not so difficult.

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Of course you are right when you say there is nothing mistical about it.

I usually ignore anything that implies Chi or internal power is mistical. But the secrets of Iron Palm are easily used once known, but it took me awile to figure out these secrets on my own. Since for most of my Iron Palm training I did not have a teacher.

Practicing Iron Palm without any prior training or supervised training from a qualified teacher is very dangerous.

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