Is it true?

I have seen somethings like what's described.

I had a former instructor who could throw chi, as described a very, very short distance only. He did a demonstration on me once, brushed his hand just in front of my face and it dazed the heck out of me, felt like I got hit by a maul, I was dazed for a good hour or two.

I would agree that if one has the ability to do things like that, then it might be possible in a close range scenario, but anything beyond a foot is most likely fantasy.

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

yeah, they may claim to have the power to kill a yak from two hundred yards away - with mind bullets! (sorry),

but in reality these longer range KOs only tend to work on the indoctrinated desciples of these 'masters' - they don't tend to do squat to a skeptic..

which, to me, begs the question - why train to have an extra weakness to these people?

I cannot believe people actually tape that sort of crap, and then they actually let other people see it! ugh...

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua I had a former instructor who could throw chi, as described a very, very short distance only. He did a demonstration on me once, brushed his hand just in front of my face and it dazed the heck out of me, felt like I got hit by a maul, I was dazed for a good hour or two.	”

A former teacher of mine blocked a students strike on their forarm with an iron palm strike and the student got all dazed about 20 seconds later and had to sit out the entire class, which was another 2 hours.

I watched a former teacher take out a student wearing 6 inch thick police body armor with the smallest of movement from a beng quan (wood in xing yi).

All amazing stuff...But none is anywhere near the level of blatent lunacy in that clip that was posted. Im just stunned, and embarrased to be a martial artist. =\

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PlumDragon Herbs: Dit Da Jow and Iron Palm Liniments

"When a handshake passes the elbow, it becomes Judo."

At least you don't practice Tai Chi. I hate to see what people do to my art.

To answer the original questions:
1) No
2) QiGong

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-Ben

“	Look up Qi Healing, or Qi Gong therapy. You could also try asking at your nearest chinese medicine/acupuncture place	”

I don't want to "look up" or "ask" anyone anything. I simply want someone to step forward and prove this. There is a guy out there who is offering big money (into the thousands) for anyone who can prove this and no one has taken him up on it yet. The ones who have tried have all been proven fake.

“	were you talking to me cam?	”

No, was talking to djstatika.

“	dazed the heck out of me, felt like I got hit by a maul,	”

Perhaps a "maul" is not the same thing where you are from as it is where I am from. There is a huge difference in "dazed" and having one's skull split open. But that being said, sorry, I don't even buy the "dazed" part with no physical contact.

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Cam

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"Raise up your mind....."

“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara I don't want to "look up" or "ask" anyone anything. I simply want someone to step forward and prove this. There is a guy out there who is offering big money (into the thousands) for anyone who can prove this and no one has taken him up on it yet. The ones who have tried have all been proven fake.	”

How could it be proven 100%? And how is it proven fake? From my experience (which isnt much) its quite a gentle feeling, feels a bit kind of magnetic, if someone is skeptical they could just ignore the sensation as a normal feeling, if I said that chi gives you pins and needles (it doesnt btw) then placed my hands near you and you did get pins and needles, then that would not be proof would it?

Who is this man anyway? Any stuff about him on the net?

Maybe you could credit it to heat or something, it doesnt feel like just heat, but that could have something to do with it I dont know, but as far as I'm concerned, it has been proven to me (and obviously a few people on here), and if you really want 'proof' for yourself then you will go and look for someone who does qi healing/qi gong/reiki near you. If you don't want to then fine, thats up to you.

Do you believe in the chi feeling that people get from doing Tai Chi/Qi Gong? or do you think its just wishful thinking?

plumb : "In my opinion, the ONLY thing related to qi that one can feel as transmitted from one to another is body heat. Period, end of story."

dont you think that there is any electromagnetic interaction besides infrared?

as for heg robinson

is he just taking the pi$$ ?

that realy was bonkers

i hope that woman starts on some medication that works

or gets paid well

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“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut plumb : "In my opinion, the ONLY thing related to qi that one can feel as transmitted from one to another is body heat. Period, end of story." dont you think that there is any electromagnetic interaction besides infrared?	”

Temperature and pressure. The pressure part is obvious, all you have to do is hit someone =) On a more subtle level, causing a compression wave and not actually hitting someone but say brushign by their face might mean they feel the pressure in the form of a slight breeze.

Most people dont think about temperature though but its no different than touching someones skin (or getting close) after a 5 mile jog, a tough routine in the weightroom....or a very focused set of qigong.

If there are other measurable things that you think exist in the interaction, then post them up and Id be happy to discuss ad nauseum...

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PlumDragon Herbs: Dit Da Jow and Iron Palm Liniments

"When a handshake passes the elbow, it becomes Judo."

have you heard of galvanic skin response plumb ?

the skin changes its resistivity when you change mood !

also when being stroked by another person (which has an emotional response)

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“	Originally Posted By: Wingnut have you heard of galvanic skin response plumb ? the skin changes its resistivity when you change mood ! also when being stroked by another person (which has an emotional response)	”

Yes, actually there are a multitude of these types of physiological reactions that take place in the dermal layers. In fact, Jung, who worked with galvanic response, is great fun to read. However, I dont believe this changes anything: If you are implying that a lower resistance means that there is a higher likelihood that static electricty will arc across the dermal layer to another person, just like when youre running across the floor in your socks and then shock your wife, this is not an effect of qi being controlled by an individual but simply nature seeking an equilibrium.

Now if you could, on command, cause galvanic response and shock someone over and over and over again using the same part fo your body, well then we might have something--but I dont beleive you can.

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PlumDragon Herbs: Dit Da Jow and Iron Palm Liniments

"When a handshake passes the elbow, it becomes Judo."

plumb : "but I dont beleive you can."

i dont either

but it is possible to get a very excited field built up between two people

initially a very peculiar sensation

the affect on your whole being is quite remarkable

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“	if someone is skeptical they could just ignore the sensation as a normal feeling	”

As opposed to someone being really gullible and open to the power of suggestion who would tell themselves that they felt something even if there was nothing at all...

“	Who is this man anyway? Any stuff about him on the net?	”

Sure, do a search on

James Randi
JREF
IIG
Paranormal Challenge

You will surely find something. There are quite a few orgs that are offering rewards like these but JREF is now up to 1 million dollars.

“	Do you believe in the chi feeling that people get from doing Tai Chi/Qi Gong? or do you think its just wishful thinking?	”

What feeling is that? I would need to experience that samw feeling to make an opinion. I need to get Storm Mountain to come on here...
Either way, that's entirely different. Someone getting a feeling themselves from doing something and transmitting energy with no physical contact to another person are entirely 2 different things.

“	Most people dont think about temperature though but its no different than touching someones skin (or getting close) after a 5 mile jog, a tough routine in the weightroom....or a very focused set of qigong.	”

Any strenuous physical activity will cause the body to produce heat.

Peace-
Cam

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"Raise up your mind....."

“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara What feeling is that? I would need to experience that samw feeling to make an opinion. I need to get Storm Mountain to come on here... Either way, that's entirely different. Someone getting a feeling themselves from doing something and transmitting energy with no physical contact to another person are entirely 2 different things.	”

Its two very different things. Its true that things happen during Tai chi and Chi Kung practice. I've gotten heat, tingleing, a kind of a stacking feeling thats realy hard to describe and these little electric shocks in joints. I know I didn't imagine the shocks because it was enough to make my body jolt and was sometimes painful. Based on my experiance there are defintely things that go on inside, that being said the no touch KO stuff is just not possible. Let me refrase that a little. Its possible so long as the other party is playing along(even if they don't realize it) but then its not really valid.

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“	As opposed to someone being really gullible and open to the power of suggestion who would tell themselves that they felt something even if there was nothing at all...	”

Well I have no problem with you thinking that, but I wasnt told what was going to happen, and I wasn't expecting to feel what I did, I thought it would just be heat or something. Also you often hear about it

“	Sure, do a search on James Randi JREF IIG Paranormal Challenge You will surely find something. There are quite a few orgs that are offering rewards like these but JREF is now up to 1 million dollars.	”

Ah yes, i did come accross him while searching after my post. I don't think there is anything paranormal about qi, i think it just a metaphor for natural occurances

“	Either way, that's entirely different. Someone getting a feeling themselves from doing something and transmitting energy with no physical contact to another person are entirely 2 different things.	”

Yes I agree, I am just interested to know how much of it (if any) that you do believe

“	Originally Posted By: ChiBeast Its two very different things. Its true that things happen during Tai chi and Chi Kung practice. I've gotten heat, tingleing, a kind of a stacking feeling thats realy hard to describe and these little electric shocks in joints.	”

I have never got a 'shock' whilst doing qi gong (not yet anyway). Tingling is normal, I dont think its chi though, I believe it has something to do with increased oxygen in the blood, but I cant remember to be honest. The feeling I am talking about is kind of magnetic, it feels like their is some resistance in the air, like you are moving your hands through water (except without the wetness).

EDIT: Misread your post ChiBeast, have fixed my reply now though

“	Ah yes, i did come accross him while searching after my post. I don't think there is anything paranormal about qi, i think it just a metaphor for natural occurances	”

Doesn't matter whether or not you consider it "paranormal" or not... regardless of what you call it, if you can transmit "electric energy" to someone else without physical contact, he will give you a million dollars.

“	Yes I agree, I am just interested to know how much of it (if any) that you do believe	”

I don't believe any of it. I do not believe anyone can stand before me and "make me feel their energy" whether it be electrical, magnetic, or whatever without physical contact... I really, really, really want to experience this being done and then I want to have the martial application of it demonstrated to me.

Peace-
Cam

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