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Old June 30th, 2007, 01:24 AM
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Ming Men Revealed?

I am looking to start a discussion on the ming men, the gate of life, the source point in the body for storing pre-heaven (prenatal) qi. I am looking to deepen my knowledge of the ming men and its relationship to qigong exercises.
Among the things I am hoping to discuss is the ming men relationship to water and the kidneys and the seemingly paradoxial relationship of the ming men fire. In addition to this the relationship of ming men to the pre-hevean qi and the generation of "Jing" (essence of life) and the process of jing qi shen manifestation. I have heard there are huge treatises on this subject in Chinese but since my mandarin is limited to ordering food and finding the bathroom I need some english speaking help..... so HELP!!!
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My advice would be, don't get lost in that sort of things. Just meditate, and let your "inner helper" decide what you need, at the moment. That means, sit there, and let happen what happens. That does it for me.
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Thanks Nik I would have to agree with you most times, but I am seeking more in depth information for some mediacl reasons as well as martial, anyone else have some stuff to add?
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It's probably lost over time, so it would be difficult to find something that gives appropriate advice and does not get lost in stories itself. There are at least 3 concepts that differ very much in detail. One is from the beginning of the last century and probably was written to get famous, not from felt knowledge. If you want to know what your body knows on it, touch the lower part of the pot belly we qigongers have () holding it with a flat hand and the other over it on the arm, holding it like a child, and then just breath, feel, wait. That helps more than anything written by other people. This is about the connection of human to the eternal, by feeling, advice, helpful memories and emotions, and energetically. Better not mix it up with stuff other people wrote in not too sure state of their mind. There could be very interesting stuff, but how to tell it from the wrong. If you really want to learn what the classical medicine tells about it, you need to find a really good TCM expert who can tell you, and who has results. If he regularily treats ill people successfully and knows what he does, he could perhaps elaborate if he feels like it. Otherwise you do like I told and hope that your eternal part likes the idea and starts writing messages, to your intuition, and heart.
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Depends on the theory you subscribe to.

From a physical movement point of view.... have spent hours and hours refining "movement" and "breathing" in that area... Fundemental stuff but hard to put into words.
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