What is Chi?

I've trained qigong since 1997. A lot of my efforts have been put into abdominal embryonic breathing. My first year of practice I did nothing but abdominal breathing, lifting sky, and pushing mountains. Sometime after the first year, I began training 8 pieces of brocade. I practiced those forms daily for about 2 years. After purchasing Qigong, The Secret of Youth by Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming, I practiced the Da Mo fist set for about six months. I changed my training routine shortly thereafter to my original routine. It's easy to forget where you start, and I saw quite positive results from there. I injured my shoulder at work Dec. 26, 2003, and I have not been able to use my right arm since that time due to a torn tendon. My routine changed drastically to embryonic breathing and a combination of five gates/bone breathing/walking qigong. I've had fantastic success with my practice as of late. I have on multiple occassions demonstrated fa qi, or qi transmission. I used this on my late friend's mother to temporarily revive her from a coma days before her death. I also used fa chi during my wife's pregnancy due to the severe complications she was having. Our daughter was born after only a five month gestation period fully developed with none of the problems typically associated with premature births. Using chi on the area of my surgery just recently, I was able to heal the incisions within 12 days from the operation. It typically takes 14 days to regenerate the first layer of skin. I've on multiple occasions, though I will admit I felt at full peak during these times, shocked people with a discharge of energy from my skin. It was not static electricity, for we were already in contact well before the shock occured.

I cannot convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced, but I will say this: the knowledge I have placed here to share with others is knowledge I have gained through experience. None of the posts stating I am speculating are able to back up their claims whatsoever. I myself, however, am able to back up what I am saying not only with evidence and countless reports, but also on the word of experts whom I do not even know. You will believe what you will believe, but that will not change the facts.

My entire purpose for starting this thread was to bring Chi from the unobtainable realm of the supernatural, to dispose of the fantasy so many would associate with it, and give people who have difficulty understand and believing why these things are possible an explanation as to how they can be done.

Limiting Chi to a purely spiritual aspect allows people to take advantage of it, as so many have over the eons and will continue to do. Your vastly uninformed opinion that I am merely speculating is a heinous insult not to myself, but to the people out there who are sharing the knowledge just to see progress in humanity.

Your heads should be held in shame for attempting to preserve the self-imposed ignorant state so dominant in our modern society.

not a question of believing, just trying to get you out of the text book and into the room... the healings I for one am interested in.

I have done healings, but never developed the skill through your method

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“	Originally Posted By: ErikMcBride My entire purpose for starting this thread was to bring Chi from the unobtainable realm of the supernatural, to dispose of the fantasy so many would associate with it, and give people who have difficulty understand and believing why these things are possible an explanation as to how they can be done. Limiting Chi to a purely spiritual aspect allows people to take advantage of it, as so many have over the eons and will continue to do. Your vastly uninformed opinion that I am merely speculating is a heinous insult not to myself, but to the people out there who are sharing the knowledge just to see progress in humanity. Your heads should be held in shame for attempting to preserve the self-imposed ignorant state so dominant in our modern society.	”

Why do you feel the need to continue to speak with such a condescending spirit.

Who here "limits chi to a purely spiritual aspect". Can you name some

Thanks

Allan

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Erik,

I do not think you understand the patrons of this board very well. There are not many here who would believe that Chi is some sort of mystical and magical thing. But then again, these same people are also of the mind that very few can explain it exactly.

Chi is referenced by many reputable sources as many different things. Although Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming has stated things in texts, this does not hold them to be absolute truths. Pan Qin-Fu refers to Chi simply as "breath". The point is that many theories exist, nothing is labratory "proven". Certainly there are a lot of physiological principles that coincide with things some say about Chi, but that does not make everything else 100% fact.

Just a few words of advise. Its much easier to promote your ideas as opinions than as cold hard facts. But if you are in fact speaking of cold hard facts can you provide the reference to labratory research that has been conducted by institutes instead of popular literature

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WEEELLL,

There's the egg busting cung foo expart from some place in northern europe. Boy did he try to convert us ignant foos. We were all mere mortals.

You guys arn't one and the same - are you.







sometimes people are screaming so loud, I can't hear what they are saying. It's unfortunate because most times they do have something good to say.

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“	Originally Posted By: ErikMcBride Your vastly uninformed opinion that I am merely speculating is a heinous insult not to myself, but to the people out there who are sharing the knowledge just to see progress in humanity. Your heads should be held in shame for attempting to preserve the self-imposed ignorant state so dominant in our modern society.	”

By insulting us you lose credibility, you should spend more time giving us sources for your "facts" and less time on insults.

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My sources were clearly stated and judged as "popular literature." I doubt that any of you can source any information whatsoever refuting my claims. My claims are based on legitimate scientific analysis. Before proposing further attempts at discrediting me, perhaps you should source some information that says I am incorrect.

Sourcing info to say you are incorrect isnt necessary. And I think you should simply re-read what the scientific process is....because you haven't shown any science here yet. You simply read some books (which most here have read and then some) and then tried to mold a definition of chi out of that material.

Which is fine of course. But not scientific in the least.

The fact that you call what you've stated scientific is rediculous. What measurements have you taken What repeatable results do you have

Dont try to make your opinions sound more credible by saying they are "scientific".

This is exactly why I said this should be approached in more of an anthropological matter...because it does contain spiritual/religious elements and science is unable to approach these.

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well you stated your sources...so what's your point, what are you trying to get across

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“	Originally Posted By: ErikMcBride I've had fantastic success with my practice as of late. I have on multiple occassions demonstrated fa qi, or qi transmission. I used this on my late friend's mother to temporarily revive her from a coma days before her death. I also used fa chi during my wife's pregnancy due to the severe complications she was having. Our daughter was born after only a five month gestation period fully developed with none of the problems typically associated with premature births. Using chi on the area of my surgery just recently, I was able to heal the incisions within 12 days from the operation. It typically takes 14 days to regenerate the first layer of skin. I've on multiple occasions, though I will admit I felt at full peak during these times, shocked people with a discharge of energy from my skin. It was not static electricity, for we were already in contact well before the shock occured.	”

Pass the munchies, 'cause the show is on!

All I would like to know is which Laboratory conducted the research which you speak of.

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[quote=ErikMcBride]My entire purpose for starting this thread was to bring Chi from the unobtainable realm of the supernatural, to dispose of the fantasy so many would associate with it, and give people who have difficulty understand and believing why these things are possible an explanation as to how they can be done.


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[quote=ErikMcBride]

“	Originally Posted By: ErikMcBride My entire purpose for starting this thread was to bring Chi from the unobtainable realm of the supernatural, to dispose of the fantasy so many would associate with it, and give people who have difficulty understand and believing why these things are possible an explanation as to how they can be done. [QUOTE/]	”

Bringing light to those in darkness! A hero! But enough of that, let's have more of the amazing chi-feats.

Extinguishing candles with mighty rectal expulsions

Inciting nearly every single person at a baseball game to do the 'wave'

Curing chronic halitosis

Erik,

I'm sorry if you are offended by my reference to your sources as popular literature...but it is the truth! With the exception of your final entry of the "The Dictionary of Cell and Molecular Biology, 3rd Edition by Academic Press" everything else is something that sounds very mainstream and opinion-based. However, I will retract my statement if you can tell me which one of these provides scientific data tested in a labratory to prove the theories you stated about Chi.

It sounds to me from what you describe you are just picking up bits from here and there and placing them together and calling it fact. Reading a mainstream popular book on Chi does not make you an expert.

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