Inner power egg test

Fair enough.

You took the time to post a clip in spite of our immature sacastic comments. Realise we just treating you like an internet personality. If we meet in person, it could be different.





NOW, this is what you can do to convince us.


Get in a arealtively big room with dividers (you'll see the point and perhaps come up with a different solution. In each cubicle, lay an egg. Then do your qi gong stuff and place the egg in a cubicle. MAKE SURE THE GUY BUSTING IT DO NOT SEE WHERE IT IS. You leave the room. Someone shovel the eggs around. Then have the dude crack it in succession. That way, he is not influenced by the thought of "Damn, this be the chi egg, I better be careful" Also total three eggs is not enough. DO like two(2) dozen with yours included.


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I`ll try to answer your questions, first, as x893 says:

x893: If you "know" it's real...then why are you getting so defensive
It's obvious it's not. As Allan previously pointed out. And I've seen this "trick" before somewhere. I cant remember where exactly...but if I do...I'll gladly post a link (if it's a website).

Leril: Well x893, as I have said before, it`s not a trick. I have no interest in trying to trick you. It`s what the film shows, nothing more, nothing less. I will gain nothing by "tricking", and by the way, how can I trick this How can I make an egg explode. I am no David Copperfield, I have no skills at all when it comes to magic. I only did what the training manual said - sit down, meditate - transfer energy to the egg - making it "in your mind" - hard as stone. Then Ernst came and tested the egg.

x893: Also, if you really believe that you can make energy leave your body and make objects outside "harder".....you should go to a university, and have them use real scientific equipment to take exact measurements of this "effect" on eggs.

Leril: Well, that suggestion has been given to me also from a Norwegian forum. I guess its possible to do that, and who knows, maybe I will..

x893: But...let's assume it is "real". Then what So you can make an egg withstand a few pounds more of pressure. That still wouldnt stop your arm from being broken in an armbar....or a punch to the temple from knocking you out.
It's not going to heal anyone as in TCM (traditional chinese medicine).
So even if it is real, what's the point

Leril: Well, of course I know that the egg test in itself can`t do anything in a combat situation. But it is well known that you can take advantage of the energy you have gained through training. I cannot confirm that the Tridaya "no touch" self defense is for real - since I have never tried that, but what I have experienced is that through energy training, no matter if its regular chi gung or the Tridaya exercises - it will help you get relaxed, focused, faster and it also gives more natural power in strikes and kicks. So in that way the energy training can be helpful in a combat situation. I don`t say that Tridaya is better than other methods. I have tried other chi gung forms also, and they all give me good effect, but since they are different, they give different effects (and also some similar).

Whats interesting with the Tridaya breathing techniques is that it works extremely fast, no side effects (even though you use "pressure" when holding the breath), it also makes you relaxed and being able to control the breath, and of course - it makes you able to "extend" the energy outside of the body - even to things like eggs and bulbs etc.

When I decided to try this - I was very skeptical - had no belief it could work. I was therefore very surprised when it did. And it worked every time I tested it. That convinced me personally that is is possible to transfer energy to someone or something. How the egg can become "hard as stone", and what actually happens - I have no idea. But definitely - it is happening, so I have to accept it. I can`t force anyone else to accept it, and it really doesn`t matter either - since I know in my heart that it is for real.

I have a good sense of humour, but it was not fun being laughed at and ridiculed AT ONCE when I came to this forum, just trying to share my experiences. I can understand you treat me like an "internet" person, and maybe you have treated me different if we had met in person. For me, if it is in real life - or on the internet - it doesn`t matter. I would like to treat people the same way, no matter what.

Maybe you guys have had some bad experiences before - but that doesn`t mean that all you meet are like that. I am no chi gung master or master in internal arts. The reason for trying the Tridaya was pure curiosity. I knew I took a chance, paying hundreds of dollars, not even knowing if I would get anything at all. But the book I ordered came to me just about a week after ordering. It was a very good book, and I agree with the philosophy in the book. I decided to try and test out the techniques just to see if it worked. I told my chi gung teacher about the techniques, and he said it was ok to test them, but that I should be careful and stop immediately if I felt some negative reactions.

Well, its been over a year. I am still doing fine and am ok. Have almost not been sick at all this last year, no problems with the head, stomach, muscles or anything else. So far, I have not experienced any negative side effect at all from the Tridaya breathing. The only negative is how I was met the first time on this forum.

But as I have said, I can also understand you. Probably there are many "maniacs" out there, claiming to do all kinds of weird stuff. I know that this is weird too, but at least I have tried to show you that it is for real. There are no tricks involved here, and if anyone of you can duplicate this - I would be happy to hear how you did it. Maybe this is possible to do even if you have been training chi gung or other kinds of energy training too I don`t know, it could be possible, and if someone would like to try, and maybe film it too, that would be great!

I would like to find out more about this - is this unique for Tridaya or is it possible to do the same if you have been training internal arts, chi gung etc. for some time

Hi there Chief108! Well, the weather here in Norway is actually great! No snow at all, sunny and warm! Its a very early spring this year, but it`s very nice! Hope the summer will be just as fine!

So, how are you doing

You know, what I think is one of the main "problems" with Tridaya, is that it gives you lots of energy in a very short time. Many people have been training internal arts and chi gung for years, and we hear all the time that it takes YEARS AND YEARS of dedication. And then, this Tridaya dude comes along, and says it can be done in a week or two... I can understand if people get in a defensive position then!

I am not at all out the disregard any form of internal traingl! No matter if you train Tai Chi, chi gung, yoga etc. it`s all great! People must train what they enjoy and like. If they can feel some good effect of the training, they should definitely continue! But my point is, ALSO the Tridaya breathing metod can give you some good effect. They are not dangerous and they give you lots of energy very fast. But, I don`t think a beginner should START with Tridaya, it`s probably best to start with some basic chi gung first, like "embracing the tree", and then maybe try test the Tridaya after a while.

When it comes to the training methods, I can share the "basics" with you. It`s very simple - just breathing. Breath in for 15 seconds, hold the breath for 15 seconds (or more), and breath out for 15 seconds. There are 3 variations of this, one focuses on the chest, one on the stomach, and one combine them. You also visualize during the breathing, focusing (in the stomach method), on the Tan Ti`en. I think the breathing probably are well known in many meditation forms, BUT here you also squeese and press the muscles in various parts of the body at the same time as you do the breathing exercises. I believe that it is this "pressure" which are the key in these methods.

Some of you have said that it is dangerous to manipulate the breath and/or squeeze/press the muscles during chi gung or meditation. You have to be careful though, not to squeeze the neck area - but only squeeze the correct part of the body in the exercise. If you do that, they are not dangerous. At least I have not experienced anything at all so far.

Allan Tsang: Yes, I know that there are probably many ways to test this in a more scientific matter. The film I showed is no scientific test at all. It just shows the test, thats all. I don`t know how "big" this is or not. For me personally it was just a test, done out of plain curiosity. It convinced me that transfering energy is possible - and thats it. I know now that it is possible. If the rest of the world will belive it or not - it really doesnt matter. But who knows, it could be fun to try it out with some science folks checking it out! They have some egg strength testing machine in Trondheim in Norway, maybe they could check this out Maybe you would believe me then

I got to say - you have the BEST attitude of all the gusy here. All the redicule and still patient. Hats off to you. I'm glad you understant it's not personal towards you.

If you EVER get the chance to have egg tested - I would like to know. Also if you do a similar blind test, i"d be interested as well.

We are not implying you are trying to "TRICK" us. Just that the egg squishing thing is a thing some people do like a trick or prank kind of thing.

well, glad to have you back.


BTW - what is freestyle martial arts.

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Hi again Allan! Thanx for the kind words! It warms!

I understand what you say about tricks. I have read about people freezing bricks to make them brake easier etc., but have not seen anything regarding eggs yet! But who knows, maybe there are some clever methods to duplicate this too with some kind of trick. But when it comes to my training, I am serious, and would never sink to such a low level and put up some trick to "impress" people. If I can`t do the real stuff, it`s best not do it at all. And this is no matter what were talking about.

For instance at training, when I teach the students jumping techniques- I jump with them! I don`t shout and command - just standing there and looking at them, but I participate WITH my students. If we are going to do jump high, I have to push myself to do that. If one students is able to jump higher than me - thats fine! I have done my best, and if someone who is younger and more fit are better than me, thats good! My goal is to make my students better than myself. Dealing with tricks and "magic" cant do them any good at all. And if I did, I would in reality, just trick myself! What goes around - comes around..

Freestyle Martial Arts is just a term of what we are training in here. Its a synthesis combining some of the things I have been training, Tae Kwon Do, Krav Maga, Capoeira, some Kung Fu stuff, chi gung etc. No belts, no ranks, just training

leril you might want to post one of your tridaya exercises so the more knowledgeable people on the DL can identify the practice. From what you describe its pretty normal stuff with pretty normal results after 14 days of training.

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Uhhhh....... are we going through this again

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Jawsman - no one will force you to read this, just stay away if its not interesting.

Necronos: Read through my post earlier on this page. I give a description of the exercises there. its a genereal discription though, but it should be sufficient for those who have the skills, to recognize and understand what I describe.

And as I mentioned, maybe this inner power test, can be done by ANYONE with some chi gung background! I have no idea, but if someone wants to test it and see if it works for them, it would be great. If some of you possess healing abilities I think there might be a goode chance it could work, but the only way to find out, is to try for yourself.

It would be extremely interesting if someone outside of Tridaya can duplicate the resulsts (also with the exploding egg). Especially it would be interesting to find out what kind of training you have done, and it that training somehow is similar to the Tridaya exercises. Then there might be nothing special about the Tridaya exercises after all!

Based on my own experiences, I find the basic breathing of Tridaya very similar to other well known breathing techniques and principles. But the extreme holding of the breath and tensing of certain areas in the body COMBINED with these techniques, are quite different from what I have previously trained in chi gung before. But, maybe that is the "secret" of the Tridaya inner power exercises. I don`t know, but I think it is the combination of everything which makes it very effective. It is very hard and takes enormous self control and discipline to do these exercises (especially if one has not been training holding of the breath before), but at least my experience, is that these breathing techniques really boost the energy level, unlike any chi gung exercise I have tried.

Embracing The Tree is a very good exercise. it gives lots of energy, and makes your body very relaxed. The Tridaya gives you a lot more energy in much shorter time, but I don`t think it makes you so relaxed at Embracing The Tree. Well, at least thats my experience with the exercises.

Some chinese say the chi simply is breath! Manipulating, control and strenghtening the breath will then also strenghten the chi! Maybe it is that simple. Because thats what the Tridaya really is about: Controlling the breath.

good going L...

I still cannot see a real difference between what you described and several other exercises I know, but what the h...
we'll get it out some where

it's afact in all kinds of training that at the end of the day it are the smallest details that make the real difference
the claims that the Tridaya site makes and the promotional thing around it make it an easy target to ridicule
but if it works for you... great!!!
maybe we can learn something here too...

Chief108

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I would agree, again, with Allan. You have a really good attitude.

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Thanx again for the kind words! Maybe Tridaya is not that special or different from other known energy training techniques, but as you said chief108, it could be the small details which are important, and maybe there are some significant details in this method, which makes it work very fast.

I have also seen some chi gung forms (if I remember correct) that also emphazise heavily on breathing and also contraction/tensing or they were performing some kind of "hardening" of the muscles. For example in Tridaya, in one exercise - you breath energy into Tan Ti`en. Then hold the breath, tensing the muscle, in other words "hardening" the stomach as much as you can. Then slowly relax and breath out.

Are there Chi gung forms similar to that Or which focus especially on the "hardening", maybe combined with breathing If so, I think there will be a very good chance of succeeding with an egg test with such kind of training too, even though it`s not Tridaya. Are there some forms of chi gung which focus especially on such extreme controlled breathing (breath in/out for a spesific number of seconds, holding of the breath for a number of seconds etc).

And by the way, maybe we should just forget the word Tridaya, and instead just focus on the technique I understand the claims of Tridaya can provocate some people, and these claims are truly incredible. But if we for a minute forget all of these claims, and just focus on the technique. The breathing method, and the extreme hardening of the body during exercise. Where in the martial arts universe can we find similar techniques

I won´t comment on the egg test any further, it has been explained already. Speaking Qi gong here, i know of two examples that work with holding the breath - one is an advanced neigung in Taiji taught by master Song, Zhijian (i own a very good book by him... excellent information and deep insight), One Qi Gong set with holding the breath and "hardening" the lower abdomen is one I practice daily , One set I learned from WKK involves stretching and holding the breath, the beginning of the Lohan hands...

I don´t do egg tricks, but all the time i practice regularly, my health is excellent, i can concentrate better, move better...

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“	Originally Posted By: leril Jawsman - no one will force you to read this, just stay away if its not interesting.	”

Not trying to bust your balls man. Just seen the subject title and got flashbacks from the previous thread. Read throught the posts and viewed link, I agree that a true scientific test would be more conviencing.

Like I said in the first thread, we also perform breathing excerises like you've mentioned. We don't try any of those techniques that you do, so I can't comment on that. If it works for you, right on.

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“	Originally Posted By: leril just focus on the technique	”

good one...
go ahead, we're listening dude!!!

“	The breathing method, and the extreme hardening of the body during exercise.	”

here's a starting point!!!

what about that extreme hardening

Chief108

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“	Originally Posted By: chief108 good one... go ahead, we're listening dude!!! here's a starting point!!! what about that extreme hardening Chief108	”

In several of the exercises you harden for instance the stomach as much as possible. This is done while holding the breath. One must be very careful not to harden other areas than the stomach (for instance the neck), but try to stay relaxed. Doing this at the same time as holding the breath is a very hard and though exercise, but I think maybe that is what gives the energy boost.

Since these exercises seem to work very fast, there must be something which trigger this effect. I think maybe it is this hardening combined with holding of the breath, which could be the key. I don`t know how common that is in regular chi gung, but it seems like some of you are doing some similar exercises though, at least some of them involve some kind of hardening of the muscles while doing the exercises. This is quite interesting. Those of you who practice such "hardening" and holding of the breath exercises, how do you feel about those excersises Are they effective, working fast or...

“	Originally Posted By: leril Those of you who practice such "hardening" and holding of the breath exercises, how do you feel about those excersises Are they effective, working fast or...	”

holding the breath is quite a common thing in all kinds of practises
haven't heard about "hardening" much

any else know that from some kinda Qigong

Chief108

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