Inner power egg test

Like mother always sed..."If don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"...

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okay...

let's interupt once again...

for starters I have great respect for Nik..
I do believe this man does know his stuff and he's very capable of picking out the rotten apples...
but then again, I like leril for his guts to put up some controversial ideas here and maybe.....shine a little light on something that might be overseen in other practises/ training methods...

that's why I don't give a rat's a$$ about the proof, byt want to know about the training...
maybe to see what "makes the difference"...

if the training's all fluff...
okay...
if it's not

explore!!!

I would be the first to state that I don't know all about this stuff
but then again I've seen soem things that I wouldn't have believed if I wasn't there either...

okay...
that's said

now...
continue....

Chief108

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all hail Martyr Fakka

wasn't directed specifically at u cheif (or anyone else for that matter)

i've just noticed that the board has been argue more than usual in the past few posts i've read....no need for hate...

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“	Originally Posted By: MotjClan no need for hate...	”

exactly...

don't fear the unknown...
share and learn...

it's a beautiful place here
let's keep it that way
grouphug

Chief108

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“	Question Authority. Question Society. Question Reality. Question Yourself. Question your conclusions, your judgments, your answers. Question this. If you question everything thoroughly enough, the truth will eventually hit you upside the head and you will know. But here’s a warning: It won’t be what you imagined. It won’t be even close.	”

all hail Martyr Fakka

“	Shaolin Shi, one thing got me thinking. IF the Chi is "locked" in the palm as a result from these exercises, how come I was able to transfer energy to the egg If the energy is just building up in the arm and can`t go anywhere, the egg test should not have worked, right	”

I don't think the chi is "locked" in the palm. The warm palm just indicates resistance to the flow.... or that a certain amount of chi is backing up there.

Shaolin Shi, could you share some of your experiences with the Shaolin methods you mentioned earlier You don`t have to go in detail, but just some of the basics. It s very interesting to find out if they are similar in some way to Tridaya and use the same method (more or less) as these inner power breathing.

As far as I know, it seems like these Tenaga Dalam exercises from Silat originates from Yoga. Anyone here with some experience in Yoga who can share some light on this subject

Are there by any chance some Pentjak Silat practitionaires here at Dragon`s List It would be very interesting to hear from some of them what their view is on Tenaga Dalam or inner power in Silat.

“	Originally Posted By: Allan_Tsang hardening sometimes like packing is found in more hard qi gong however some styles of bagua do walk the circle while doign that very thing - packing - but breath is not held.	”

Are you referring to focusing chi outward, while still being able to breath freely

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It's all about the nitty gritty.......

no packing the dan tien and breathing.

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So not relaxing the dan tein after exhale Keeping it tight and firm instead I'm probably way off.....

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It's all about the nitty gritty.......

The chicken gets warm when laying the egg...so is the chicken chi transferring or being blocked

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“	Originally Posted By: chief108 holding the breath is quite a common thing in all kinds of practises haven't heard about "hardening" much any else know that from some kinda Qigong Chief108	”

cheif as most of us know the highest level in some arts is the basic utilization of ones internal energy. in other arts (since i know more about the chinese ill use them as an example plus im biased)such as Shaolin or Wu Tang the understanding and use of ones chi are primary goals of even basic training.

in shaolin kung fu there is what ive come to know as shaolin build normal semi muscular frame and big bulbus belly like a pregnant woman. its not from monks wine or over eating its from what they call swallowing your breath (sinking your breath to your tan tien) and the are in which most westerners develope their six pack they get a bowling ball wrapped in leather.

oo did yo know that in some southern provinces of china women were not allowed to practice chi gung excersises because of their natural pouch in the tan tien area and the powers the be didnt like the idea of women looking as though they had more chi gung power then the men though the women were allowed to learn the fighting aspect since in shaolin chi gung is trained as a separate excersise. in Wu Tang the chi gung and fighting excersises are one in the same

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from what i have felt in my experiences with chi flow is that shaolin is right you have a build up basically this means your hand might be ever so slightly tensed somwhere try to loosen up a bit more where you feel a hot spot. i might hurt whatever good reputation i might have in here by saying this but you body work on a kind of bio electricity and i think that since your chi is your body's most powerful element it must be conected some way or another to your chi or perhaps because of your chi and when you meditate sitting on the floor or in repose if you tense this causes the hot spot where you are tightening up. like the wiring in your car if two wires get somehow crossed or touch heat builds up from the excess power. meaning that when your in a chi moment and you make a rigid move or have become tense somewhere or thinking about anything (why your hand is hot)the flow is interrupted or blocked and therefore there is a build up of energy. and energy in this case assuming im not talking out my @$$ is connected to electricity your hand consequently gets hot

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I have now for the last few months mostly concentrated on regular Chi Gung exercises, both forms and static positions. Once in a while, maybe once a week, I have been doing some Tridaya breathing for around 20 minutes.

EVERY time I do chi gung, the left palm is getting warm. It is a comfortable warmth, and I feel no negative results or effects from it. Sometimes when not doing chi gung, the palm will also get warm, but it is not that often.

For me it seems like this effect of warmth in the palm is a result of the training. It was the Tridaya training that produced this effect, but it seems like the chi gung training, still keeps the palm warm. I have to mention that the arms or palms are in no way tensed, as I practice relaxation every time I do chi gung. (they are not tensed during Tridaya breathing either).

I believe this "warm palm" effect is a positive side-effect, due to maybe some kind of "opening" of the energy point in the left palm. When I do chi gung and the energy is "awakened", I feel the warmth all over the body, and especially a very "hot spot" in the left palm.
And as I have mentioned before, I have not noticed any negative side-effects from the training. IF the Tridaya exercises are dangerous, I think I should have noticed that by now. I am almost never sick, never headache, no other kinds of physical or mental problems, so my conclusion - a couple of years after doing intensive Tridaya training, is that it is NOT dangerous.

Tridaya is well-known to have this disastrous emptying effect on portemonnaies (also called purses or wallets). On the other hand, those africans wanting to send you $10,000,000 if you help them out with $1,000 first are for real! I already ordered that Ferrari, since they said they will send me the money next week.

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“	Originally Posted By: Nik Tridaya is well-known to have this disastrous emptying effect on portemonnaies (also called purses or wallets).	”

Well, I can agree with you on that. It is not exactly "for free"...