Tournament Stuff

Lets talk about something.

So a little history. I've been doing this stuff for 24 years, hold belts in TKD and Kempo.

I personally would never go into a competition for for BBs and perform a beginner set I learned 20 years ago.

But thats what a lot of the JMA competitors we go against were doing. I am talking about stuff like Taikyoku and Heiean SHodan and Nidan. I mean, shoot I could do those forms absolutley flawless too, BIG DEAL.

I dont know, it strikes me in my pride somewhere I dont know why. If I am going to compete in BB form I am going to show a more difficult set and do i like I think some one with 24 years of experience is supposed to do it.

Seriously, My Taikyoku Shodan is pretty damn good, maybe I should just do that in tournaments from now on.

Yeah right

What do you guys think?

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This is a sticky?

Well, the attitude of the SKA when I was training with them was to get a form to perfection, and just work on one or two. For a lot of them that was one of the basic ones. It wouldn't be surprising to see them do their favourite form at a competition. As far as I know they only competed in house though.

Now regarding the general situation, why are there even forms competitions in the first place and why would anyone compete? Forms were a means to an end, not the end goal itself. In wrestling we don't have weight cutting competitions - that'd make about as much sense as having a forms competition.

You know, sometimes its just tiresome to get into these things with you guys.

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Hey, don't complain about a response you get when you post a rather insignifcant thread as a sticky and then bump it. Beggars can't be choosers, and when you sticky a thread and bump it to get attention again then begging for a response is exactly what you're doing.

I dont need your permission to stick or bum a thread.
I've done it before to other members threads that I wanted to keep on peoples radar to get discussion going.

That being said, your snide remark regarding something that you seem to feel is beneath you doesnt do anything but fuel this constant us Vs them attitude that has taken hold here.

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I have asked that question of karate players...why as the rank get higher don't the forms get more complex...

one answer was there is a difference between when a black belt does a form and a green belt.

I think he really believed it... but in CMA doesn't the same thing happen?

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I never suggested you needed my permission, but you're seeming like a spoiled brat when you complain about a response you get to a thread you're going out of your way to get responses for. Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

Regarding the us vs them attitude, why are you letting it take hold in you? It doesn't seem particularly productive so why do you do it? And why don't you have anything to say regarding black belts doing their favourite forms at competitions? Were you just looking for someone to agree with you?

I dont know does it?
even if I were just demonstrating to another CMA'ist. If asked to see one of my sets. I would not do the first or second I learned.

To me it doesnt show much. I think its expected that if you've been doing this stuff for 10, 15 plus years, your year one stuff isnt going to impress me.

Youve seen Pai Lum Aqira, I wouldnt go into a BB comp and do short form of the tiger. Regardless of the plethora of nice technique and application that are in the short set.

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I was thinking more of Tai Chi forms

I do agree with you I want to see the good stuff from the top people


but then I stopped judging tournaments years ago because they were so aggravating

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“	Originally Posted By: Robin Ashe I never suggested you needed my permission, but you're seeming like a spoiled brat when you complain about a response you get to a thread you're going out of your way to get responses for. Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to. Regarding the us vs them attitude, why are you letting it take hold in you? It doesn't seem particularly productive so why do you do it? And why don't you have anything to say regarding black belts doing their favourite forms at competitions? Were you just looking for someone to agree with you?	”

#1 You didnt answer, you sniped. Which you tend to do at a lot of threads with TMA themes to them.

#2 It hasn't taken a hold in me(obi wan). On the contrary, I am one of the few riding both sides of that particular set of discussions. But when you make comments like that in a thread that obviously doesnt really interest you it IS just a pop shot and it does make people think of you even more as some lame MMA guys who just doesnt like TMA's and likes to start trouble.
I know you are more than that.

#3 I didnt answer because I wanted to open a discussion before I chimed in on it, which is also often done by members here.

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Not all styles use progressive forms.... Typical of Kempo there are shorter forms with a few easy movements in them for new people and then the forms get higher and more complex.... but wing chun doesn't have a host of forms and the forms are meant to be different aspects of the art...so the first form you learn will still be the same form for the same use 20 years later

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“	Originally Posted By: Robin Ashe Now regarding the general situation, why are there even forms competitions in the first place and why would anyone compete? Forms were a means to an end, not the end goal itself. In wrestling we don't have weight cutting competitions - that'd make about as much sense as having a forms competition.	”

Say, didn't you wash out of the wrestling team?


What happened, you went back?

“	Not all styles use progressive forms.... Typical of Kempo there are shorter forms with a few easy movements in them for new people and then the forms get higher and more complex.... but wing chun doesn't have a host of forms and the forms are meant to be different aspects of the art...so the first form you learn will still be the same form for the same use 20 years later	”

True, But I must admit I have never seen a Wing Chin set for use without a Mook so I dont think they count, unless Im wrong about that.

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“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Say, didn't you wash out of the wrestling team? What happened, you went back?	”

You really need to stop making things up about me, you're spending way to much of your imagination on me... it's rather disturbing. I didn't wash out, I took a break because of an injury.