point fighting vs. real fighting

My question is can a tournament fighter (that is a point fighter) be able to fight effectively on the street. Can a point fighter really fight or do they have a false sense of security? Do they still possess the skills neccessary to defeat an attacker (the average Joe) on the street? I'm just interested in what everyone thinks.

I think some fighting experience is better than nothing at all. Of course some people are just naturally aggressive and aggression wins confrontation unless the less aggressive party has more skill. I would say that said, MMA ring fighting is better than pure boxing alone, boxing is better than kumite, kumite is better than TKD and so on.

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If they can make the transition to hitting and not holding back....and if they can get past getting hit for real.

Point fighting should just be thought of as one more form of learning....though in my knife classes it might be a little tough to deal with.

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aqira has it, if they can make that transition and adapt.
I sparred against a guy who was a point fighting tourney champ, in the sparring session he couldn't transition into hitting semi full contact or being hit, completely threw his game off track....

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

I did some working out the other week with a guy and hi class. They were doing point sparring. My thing is having to stop the moment contact is made you rest yourself and start over again. There was one point where this cat landed a kick on the front of my shoulder blade, and I didn't even feel it. The only way I knew there was contact is cause there was a partial foot print on my shoulder. But in real life I would not have stopped, I would have kept going. To e it is almost as if they are instilling a strike and reset additude. I'm not going to hit you and then tep back and give you a chance to do Sh!!

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Daniel W. "Gigagei Waya" McCullar, 4th Dan

Oooh, look the Korean stylist used Chinese
http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read-ever.html

That's a good point Dan and something I remember from Karate competitions!

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Faith itself, compelled by the Holy Spirit, possesses an inner dynamism that necessitates deeper understanding. ~Thomas Weinandy O.F.M.

The longer one does something the more muscle memory is developed. The more muscle memory is developed the harder it is to un-learn and re-train the brain and the body.

If someone does only point fighting it can be very counterproductive and develop a lot of bad habits. It depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to only do point fighting then point fighting is good. If the goal is to develop realistic applicable skill then only doing point fighting is bad and non-conducive to the goal. If you want applicable skills then point sparring on occasion is a good thing to develop speed and timimg but should be done in limited amounts.

As always, if the goal is X, then one should be doing X, not A, B and C.

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Cam
"Raise up your mind....."

The only time point sparing should be used is when you have young children involed. And Im refering to 11 or 12 year olds and younger. Other than that its useless IMO. However I do think a points sparrer can have useful fighting skills and be able to defend themselves if they can sperate the two in there minds. As FightingFat said some experience is better than non.

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“	Originally Posted By: Green_Horn The only time point sparing should be used is when you have young children involed. And Im refering to 11 or 12 year olds and younger. Other than that its useless IMO. quote]	”

My school uses point sparring as an introduction to regular sparring. You spend one sash level at point sparring to learn control and timing, then after that you do regular sparring. I found that useful. Especially for people like me who have neve sparred before, it was nice to have an introduction.

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“	The only time point sparing should be used is when you have young children involed.	”

for sure.

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“	My school uses point sparring as an introduction to regular sparring. You spend one sash level at point sparring to learn control and timing, then after that you do regular sparring. I found that useful. Especially for people like me who have neve sparred before, it was nice to have an introduction.	”

“	Do what works for you - Bas Rutten	”

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Never really considered the people who had never sparred or been in a fight before.

“	Never really considered the people who had never sparred or been in a fight before.	”

typical military.

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lol

One thing that is important in point fighting is the chance to improve, blocks, targeting, self control, balance, coordination, mind hand response and so on Its not about the points it should be about a training method that can do a lot all at the same time.

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