Are grapplers really fooling themselves?

so..

Thinking on the basis that its quite possible that anyone you encounter could grapple is dangerous.

PREPARING yourself for that likliness is dangerous because your obviously just fooling yourself.

I guess we should just shoot ourselves now before the grapplers obviously ovverun our petty lives and destroy us.

“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf so.. Thinking on the basis that its quite possible that anyone you encounter could grapple is dangerous.	”

Nope, that's a good rule of thumb.

“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf PREPARING yourself for that likliness is dangerous because your obviously just fooling yourself.	”

Nope, I'm pretty sure everyone has been very clear about this - preparing for that likeliness is crucial. The thing is that you need to learn how to grapple before you can expect to be able to hadle one. Why would I listen to a blind man talk of the beauty of the setting sun or the pastel colors used in a fine painting He doesn't know anything of it. Same thing with a knife-fighter, if you want to be able to defend against one, you're going to have to know how to do it first.

“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf I guess we should just shoot ourselves now before the grapplers obviously ovverun our petty lives and destroy us.	”

Run Forest, run!

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<<Same thing with a knife-fighter, if you want to be able to defend against one, you're going to have to know how to do it first.>>

now theres a comment that makes sense

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I think the whole thing made sense, it was a great post for the most part.

Just other then disagreeing with me, that wasnt great.

We are only going to do well on this board if everyone agrees with the wolf!

“	I guess we should just shoot ourselves now before the grapplers obviously ovverun our petty lives and destroy us.	”

You could learn some grappling, ground striking and other skills too

Fabian, the post was sarcastic aimed towards robin and unkotare who made some stupid statements.


Like its dangerous to assume that any would be assailant could grapple.

Or its dangerous to prepare yourself because you may be actually fooling yourself.

“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf Fabian, the post was sarcastic aimed towards robin and unkotare who made some stupid statements. Like its dangerous to prepare yourself because you may be actually fooling yourself.	”

Actually, the comment was that its dangerous to be over-confident in your grappling skills just because you stopped Kenny Karate from getting an eyes-closed-arms-extended-charge-from-across-the-room-double on you Tuesday night during the 30 minutes per week that your dojo works on 'grappling' because your teacher ain't no fool and knows folks wanna get some of that stuff they've been hearing about on the super-terrific Dragon's List site. The comment further stated that thinking you have a better shot at engaging than splittin' because you think you have skills you don't is a good way to get your head put through the floor. The comment further stipulates that learning just enough to give you a false sense of security may be worse than learning nothing at all. The conclusion that the comment draws from all this is that if you're gonna learn grappling you had better really learn it if you intend to rely on it any more than you did before starting. The comment thinks that half-assed approaches to grappling may put people at risk.



I thought that was pretty clear in the original comment!

Robin said something true in some thread yesterday (I think), if you go for a crappy joint lock your attacker will be able to pull off using only brute force, if your style teaches you how to do a good lock or takedown then you are safe. If you go for the kicking-punching stuff what will you do if they guy is taller and stronger and tackles you

You MUST be prepared for anything you know its possible, its possible that your attacker is a grappler, its possible that your attacker knows boxing, is possible that your attacker falls in love with you, anything could be possible, be prepared. Its the best tip I can give you

“	Originally Posted By: Unkotare Actually, the comment was that its dangerous to be over-confident in your grappling skills just because you stopped Kenny Karate from getting an eyes-closed-arms-extended-charge-from-across-the-room-double on you Tuesday night during the 30 minutes per week that your dojo works on 'grappling' because your teacher ain't no fool and knows folks wanna get some of that stuff they've been hearing about on the super-terrific Dragon's List site. The comment further stated that thinking you have a better shot at engaging than splittin' because you think you have skills you don't is a good way to get your head put through the floor. The comment further stipulates that learning just enough to give you a false sense of security may be worse than learning nothing at all. The conclusion that the comment draws from all this is that if you're gonna learn grappling you had better really learn it if you intend to rely on it any more than you did before starting. The comment thinks that half-assed approaches to grappling may put people at risk. I thought that was pretty clear in the original comment!	”

I wasnt telling people to get prepared in a McDojo, i just said it was better to be prepared. Which is a true statement.

Also unkotare, notice what you said was the statement that thinking anybody might be able to grapple was dangerous.

Unk, Great post!!!!!!!!!

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Being prepared for whatever, the only way you can really do that is to have no ideas, most people can't do that in a fight situation. Those that train the common way most schools do it will follow the “what if” concept and they will pay highly for that.
If you want to really function in a real fight in the real world and have a real chance not just dumb luck you have to throw away those concepts and start over.

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“	Those that train the common way most schools do it will follow the “what if” concept and they will pay highly for that. If you want to really function in a real fight in the real world and have a real chance not just dumb luck you have to throw away those concepts and start over.	”

How exactly you do that

I've been in fights before learning MA n after I started... I know I never had to use any X skill from my training... I saw an oppurtunity and I reacted/responded...

the fact is Whenever I trained I don't fixated myself to any technique...n my TKD teacher played a huge role... but after the incident with my freind(3 yrs ago).. I still wondered about my methodlogies...

the only good thing about my last fight 1 yr back... was I didn't felt the aderaline rush as I felt previosuly. I was calm inside n was clear of my options...

-TkdWarrior-

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Start by dropping terminology and distinctions, don't look for openings or situational positions. I know many styles tell you to do that but the first thing wrong with that way is too much thinking. Fighting is not the chess game many teachers try to impress a student with. Think a move ahead will often leave you a move behind.

also your comment about being calm...imo that is one of the greatest skills a fighter can have

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“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf Fabian, the post was sarcastic aimed towards robin and unkotare who made some stupid statements. Like its dangerous to assume that any would be assailant could grapple. Or its dangerous to prepare yourself because you may be actually fooling yourself.	”

It's dangerous to think you're preparing yourself when you're actually not. English isn't your first language, is it

“	Originally Posted By: Zipwolf I wasnt telling people to get prepared in a McDojo, i just said it was better to be prepared. Which is a true statement. Also unkotare, notice what you said was the statement that thinking anybody might be able to grapple was dangerous.	”

No, he didn't state that. I'm really starting to wonder now, Guernsey looks like it's in Scotland or Ireland or Britain from the name, but I'm starting to get the feeling it's in South Africa - kinda like Georgia is in the US but also in the middle east.