tiger wine benefits

...so has anyone (else!) actually tried the stuff?

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So... It it only bad to kill "endangered" animals for medicine?
Or is it bad to kill any animal?
If we kill them for medicine when they are not endagered, and they then become endangered, do we have to stop killing them?
What if we Kill them, make medicine out of thier bones then eat the meat and make cool purses and boots out of the rest? Then we are just being thrifty.

I gotta go, on my way to get some fried chicken.
Danny

“	Originally Posted By: Lugaldamhara Stupidity should be painful....	”

Oh stupidity pain? I heard ground panda penis cure that.

Ouch!

“	Originally Posted By: Mei Hua Plus it's good on toast	”

Whatever you do with Tiger Balm, there is one thing I learned the hard way.

Be REAL careful not to get it in contact with your balls.

Had strained muscles in my inner thighs (which later turned up to be an inguinal hernia, which still has to be operated after over a year), so I decided to put tiger balm there.

Didn't think about what'd rub there when walking.

Can you imagine how it feels to have your nuts cooking from the inside as if you put them in the microwave? Now I can.

Yes, I have tried it, however in todays word they substitute things like pig bone for tiger bone.
Was it any good? Tastes like ass (pure speculation on the taste of ass).
Why? It was prescribed to me for some broken bones.
Did it work? I can't really know, my bones are healed up now but they would have healed with or without it.
What was it for? It used to be prescribed to help with broken bones. Now they say eat gelatin (which is made from bones by the way) to do the same job. Traditionaly SOME kung fu people would use it when conditioning legs, hands forearms, etc. to strengthen the bones when taking on the trauma from some of the freakishly brutal old school training methods.
Do you you still use it? No

Danny
One last thing, be carefull of the chinese hocus pocus, it just may be the basis of some of our modern medicine, and you may not want to be involved in any of that voodoo.

“	Originally Posted By: guizzy Whatever you do with Tiger Balm, there is one thing I learned the hard way. Be REAL careful not to get it in contact with your balls. Had strained muscles in my inner thighs (which later turned up to be an inguinal hernia, which still has to be operated after over a year), so I decided to put tiger balm there. Didn't think about what'd rub there when walking. Can you imagine how it feels to have your nuts cooking from the inside as if you put them in the microwave? Now I can.	”

Oh dude, I had the same once and used extra strength Tiger Balm and White Flower together

OMFG the pain, it had me doubled over for a half hour, and that was after I'd scrubbed it off like crazy

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

I dunno if Jello gelatin would help heal broken bones, even though it is gelatin. It's so "processed."

If you've ever tried pig's feet though -- cooked right -- the cartilage cooks down into a gelatinous substance and, eaten as a whole, are supposedly good for the bones. I'm not the biggest fan but, given enough hot sauce, they go really well with greens & cornbread!

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Given enough Hot Sauce anything is good!

That is one of the two secrets of of my southern style Cook Fu.

The other Deep Frying. It doesn't matter what it is, Cook it till it floats and it will be 10 times more delicious.

Danny

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quizzy : "Oh stupidity pain? I heard ground panda penis cure that."

lmao

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“	Originally Posted By: guizzy Oh stupidity pain? I heard ground panda penis cure that. Ouch!	”

Don't tell Su Lin

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

“	Originally Posted By: ngstudent So... It it only bad to kill "endangered" animals for medicine? Or is it bad to kill any animal? If we kill them for medicine when they are not endagered, and they then become endangered, do we have to stop killing them?	”

That's why they are bred in captivity- the zoos do it too in case they go extinct in the wild.

“	Hunters kill one of last Amur Leopards Mon Apr 23, 12:13 PM ET Hunters in Russia's Far East have shot and killed one of the last seven surviving female Amur leopards living in the wild, WWF said on Monday, driving the species even closer to extinction. Last week environmentalists said there were only between 25 and 34 Amur leopards -- described as one of the most graceful cats in the world -- still living in the wild. At least 100 are needed to guarantee the species' survival which depends upon female leopards breeding. There are more male leopards in the wild than female because cats tend to breed males when under stress, WWF said. "Leopard murder can only be provoked by cowardice or stupidity, in this case most likely by both," Pavel Fomenko, WWF's biodiversity coordinator in Russia's Far East said in a statement. A hunter shot the leopard through the tail bone. It tumbled over and was then beaten over the head with a heavy object, WWF said. Amur leopards have not been know to attack humans. Environmentalists have urged the Russian government to introduce tighter controls on its national parks in the Far East to crack down on leopard hunting. They also want more done to protect the animal's natural environment and food supply, which they say is being destroyed by human development. A local wildlife watchdog received an anonymous tip-off that a leopard had been killed. State wildlife officers found the dead animal after a day of searching. The leopard died on either April 15 or April 16, WWF said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/...Nv6dx8pBwiANEA	”

I suspect those leopards are used for their body parts too, unfortunately for them!

The questions were hypothetical.
I was just pointing out some ethics and...simply being an arse. Or as my wife would say, being myself.

I think she and her vegetarin friends are rubbing off on me. Ick!!
I need to shower away the morality before it takes over.
Danny

“	End of the tiger tale? By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News website, The Hague To Valmik Thapar, it is a matter of principle, of human dignity, and distortion of the traditional relationship between mankind and nature. "To me it is disgusting," he thunders. "It's not civil to have tiger farms; it's not part of anyone's dream." The target of Mr Thapar's ire is a somewhat vague proposal from China to re-open the domestic trade in tiger products. The trade has been banned for 14 years, and using material from wild tigers would remain prohibited. Instead, traditional medicine ingredients such as bone would be sourced from animals kept in farms. There are thought to be at least five tiger farms in China, housing about 5,000 animals, the majority born and bred in captivity. If there wasn't a ban on the tiger trade, I assure you there wouldn't be one single tiger left in India today Valmik Thapar, Conservationist Astonishingly, that is more tigers than remain in the wild. Animal welfare and conservation groups are virtually united in their opposition. Re-opening a domestic market would boost poaching for that market, they believe, and would also lead to an increase in international trade, which would remain illegal under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). A prominent conservationist who has spent 30 years observing India's tigers, Valmik Thapar is under no illusions as to what this would mean for the remaining wild populations, based largely in India. "If there wasn't a ban on the tiger trade, I assure you there wouldn't be one single tiger left in India today," he told a reception at this year's CITES meeting in The Hague. But there was a wider message. Tigers are wild creatures; that is how we used to treat them and respect them, and putting them behind bars, denuding them of their instincts and their traditional behaviours, has no place in a world which claims to be civilised. Closed doors Tiger farms sprang up in China in the 1980s, when the market was still thriving. The tiger could easily earn its keep and buy its way out of extinction, if we allow it to do so Barun Mitra, Liberty Institute, Delhi Bans on national and international trade stemmed the lucrative stream of material flowing out of the farm gates. Some turned to tourism for income. An information document which China is presenting at this CITES meeting, entitled The Current Situation of Tiger Breeding and the Facing Difficulties (sic) of the Guilin Xiongsen Tigers and Bears Mountainvillage, laments the financial difficulties which one farm is facing. "We need 50,000,000 RMB ($6,500,000) to run the zoo, and yet, the income from tourism was just 15,000,000 RMB ($2,000,000). "Without a fresh financial support, the 1,000 tigers would be starving. Then, it would become meaningless to talk about protections of these animals." The farm owners display compassion too for the people who come to their door seeking medical help. "Patients of rheumatism could be often seen to come to us for tiger bones, but we could give them nothing even when they get down on their knees pleading because it is not allowed." The tiger farmers receive a sympathetic hearing from some NGOs which believe that conservation strategies work best when the conservation targets acquire some financial value. "When trade is outlawed, only outlaws trade," says Barun Mitra of the Liberty Institute in Delhi. Mr Mitra's thesis is that money should be made from tigers in a number of ways, from ecotourism to trading in tiger parts. The demand for crocodile skin, he says, used to be met by poaching. Nowadays, the supply chain starts in crocodile farms, which provide the same material at a fraction of the cost. As a result, crocodile numbers in the wild have risen; and he believes exactly the same thing could happen with tigers. "The tiger could easily earn its keep and buy its way out of extinction, if we allow it to do so," Mr Mitra concludes. It is an argument swiftly dismissed by Sue Lieberman of WWF International. "It costs a lot to keep a tiger in captivity, and next to nothing to kill them in the wild," she says. "In any case, legitimate traditional medicine doesn't need tiger parts. And those who use tiger bone prefer bones from wild animals." Farming for conservation China's approach is hard to read. Negotiations at this CITES meeting have resulted in a joint resolution on the issue from China, India, Nepal and Russia. Much of it is anodyne. The most intriguing clause reads: "Parties with operations breeding tigers on a commercial scale should implement measures to restrict the captive population to a level supportive only to conserving wild tigers." So by implication, China is backing tiger farms only for conservation, not for trade. Yet some delegates say they have been told that the trade will be re-opened. The Chinese delegation has not so far granted the BBC an interview to clarify the situation. China has done a great deal in 14 years, in terms of education, enforcement, and banning tiger products from traditional medicine Sue Lieberman, WWF International At its root may lie a conflict between the desire to support the international trade ban and the goodwill of the international conservation community, and the desire to support businessmen who may carry significant weight in their home regions. "China has done a great deal in 14 years, in terms of education, enforcement, and banning tiger products from traditional medicine," comments Dr Lieberman. "So why they would want to risk all that now, just to give a bit of profit to a few rich businessmen, I don't know." Some of those businessmen are apparently making a profit from tiger parts already. Earlier this year, undercover reporters from the UK's Independent Television News (ITN) visited Guilin tiger farm and found that tiger meat was being sold illegally. The origin of the meat was validated by an independent laboratory in China. John Sellar, senior enforcement officer with CITES, told delegates that the US Fish and Wildlife Service has now endorsed the Chinese laboratory's findings. This had been communicated to the Chinese government, he said. How many tigers? If the joint resolution is adopted by CITES, it is clear that difficulties still lie ahead, not least over that thorny issue of how many captive tigers would be needed for conservation. "That might depend from region to region, on the habitat - it might be two in one place and 10 in the next," said India's delegate Rajesh Gopal from the National Tiger Conservation Authority. "We don't really need any captive tigers," he added. India has chosen a policy of engagement, hoping that by starting with this degree of co-operation it can slowly persuade China to bring the tiger farming era to a close. If it does, what to do with the 5,000 tigers already in captivity will be a difficult issue. They lack the instincts needed to survive in the wild. And coming from a small gene pool, they have little to offer the existing wild population. But that will be a single problem requiring a single solution. For Valmik Thapar, a much larger problem looms if farms are not closed and the tiger trade banned forever - the final extinction of this magnificent predator. "History will never forgive one human being or one collective of human beings if we take any other decision," he says. Richard.Black-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk Story from BBC NEWS: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | End of the tiger tale? Published: 2007/06/12 15:14:49 GMT © BBC MMVII	”

As long as beliefs in their curing properties persist, the tiger parts trade will continue. Therefore, it's better to keep those farms running to protect the wild ones! India should also look into establishing not only tiger but also lion farms- the only Asiatic lion population is barely surviving in the Gir forest!
Asiatic Lion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“	Originally Posted By: TaichiMantis A curse on anyone that kills endangered animals for body parts for whatever reason!!!!	”

Right on man!

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