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April 20th, 2007, 06:30 PM
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China has come under fire for allowing tigers to be bred for the production of so-called "tiger bone wine".
The drink is reportedly made by steeping tiger carcasses in rice wine. Those who drink the wine believe it makes them strong.
Chinese delegates at the International Tiger Symposium in Nepal are arguing for the lifting of a current ban on the trade in tiger bones and skins.
But other Asian nations with threatened tiger populations want the ban to stay.
Emotive issue
There has been a forceful exchange of views on the issue at the symposium, according to the BBC correspondent in Kathmandu, Charles Haviland.
Experts say there are several reasons why tiger numbers have drastically declined, but just one has grabbed the limelight, our correspondent says.
The argument centres on the existence of so-called "tiger farms" in China, which have bred thousands of captive tigers with the ostensible purpose of entertaining visitors.
But the conservation group WWF, which is chairing the symposium, says these farms are fronts for the production of tiger bone wine.
WWF also says the captive tigers cannot survive in the wild, and believes the production of wine and underhand trade in skin and bones also threaten to make wild tiger poaching more lucrative.
A senior WWF official said the discussions were heated, with Chinese academics saying their country should lift its ban on the trade in tiger parts.
But experts from states like Nepal and Bangladesh, which have threatened tiger populations, are urging that the ban should remain.
On Wednesday, a more formal forum of government delegations will begin discussing the fate of the majestic beast, which a recent television poll declared to be the world's most popular animal.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ic/6566507.stm
Published: 2007/04/18 05:33:07 GMT
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..The power and grandeur of tigers is a common theme in Chinese language, literature and opera "so people have the idea that Tiger Bone Wine makes a person strong as a tiger", she says. Traditional Chinese medicine specialists have proved some substitutes effective in tests. Dog bones and herbs such as ginger have shown promise as an alternative to tiger bones.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/493824.stm
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My question is: are the captive tigers' body parts as potent as those of the wild ones? I honestly doubt it- any domesticated or captive animal has less vitality & essense!  |
April 20th, 2007, 07:47 PM
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A curse on anyone that kills endangered animals for body parts for whatever reason!!!! | ” | |
Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rep Power: 163 | | | Seems like a lot of Chinese beliefs are based on voo-doo mythology urban legend hocus pocus. They're also into drinking snake blood and they think tiger penis gives a man virility.... I will refrain from saying anything about their martial arts as most of them do have some positive elements. It's the dogmatic paradigm that it breeds that is detrimental.
But people.... this is the 21st century. Let's wake up and smell the coffee....
No need to kill off an endangered species over some witch doctor beliefs. Stupidity should be painful....
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Stupidity should be painful....
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Should being the key word. OMG..... can you people imagine if that were true? LMAO.... walking around the streets just seeing lines of people in pain. 
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April 21st, 2007, 09:40 AM
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April 21st, 2007, 10:17 AM
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Posted By: Lugaldamhara
Seems like a lot of Chinese beliefs are based on voo-doo mythology urban legend hocus pocus. They're also into drinking snake blood and they think tiger penis gives a man virility.... I will refrain from saying anything about their martial arts as most of them do have some positive elements. It's the dogmatic paradigm that it breeds that is detrimental. | ” | |
Ive had this conversation online a million times; one is currently going on elsewhere in fact:
First off, the TCM community as a whole does NOT support or endorse the use of endangered creatures in its practice. Things like Rhino Horn, Tiger Bone, etc are not even available unless you procure them through illegal means.
Second, the fact is that real TCM of today has very little to do with voodoo mythology and garbage or folk medicine and has much more to do with proving and disproving certain ideas to come to the real goal: Helping people. Ill not waste any more time typing about it online as it represents a gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation about a sound system of medicine. However, Cam, if you are interested Id be more than happy to delve into an in-depth conversation on the topic next time we get a chance to meet up. |
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I'm also absolutely against the killing of wild endangered animals for TCM use! But, if captive animals are used for tonics/remedies would that be just waste of $$$ since their potency is much lower? It seems that if a wine has some popular animal's like "tiger" (Tiger Balm http://www.hwarangdo.net/Merchant2/m...tegory_Code=H1 comes to mind); on the other hand, what are real benefits of consuming it?
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April 22nd, 2007, 06:43 PM
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Rep Power: 220 | | | Ahh, Tiger Balm doesn't actually have anything Tiger related in it.
It's camphor and parafin
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April 22nd, 2007, 10:57 PM
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Rep Power: 150 | | | Oh, sweet, sweet Tiger Balm ... how I love thee... such a good all-around remedy, for sore muscles, clogged sinuses, etc. And 100% tiger-free.
The idea of using actual endangered animals for remedies is repugnant. There are still plenty of ignorant folk in the world, though.
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Oh, sweet, sweet Tiger Balm ... how I love thee... such a good all-around remedy, for sore muscles, clogged sinuses, | ” | |
Plus it's good on toast
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