another student stabbed..I love this class!

Personally, we never really got into the whole set-up stance for knife fighting. It was more about comfort, still having quick reaction time, and understanding certain concepts when within range.

And aqira, this "ABC"...are you referring towards the way the body is limited and understanding the way the human body basically moves and works when one anatomical part moves in conjuction with another!?

Yes added to that in relationship to the other person/s. This range of potential movement includes both what the options are and when you combine them with the movement of other objects that include the fixed objects and the movable one.
When learning them these relationships are viewed both as projecting and retreat or moving to and withdraw from.
Part of this is working with the joints and learning them as mechanical devices so to speak as an example the forearm and elbow, the wrist and the grip. You also would take into account the whole body and things such as range angle interference etc... we work with this under an overlay of understanding the basics of pathway options and control.

To be fluid you have to know when you move what may or may not happen or be doable. Keeping that in mind the close stance can be effective or not with only a slight change in position.

This same idea apples to many aspects such as grip. A tool to help get a better grip posture is the fist in clock positions.

If you draw a circle and number it like a clock you would place your fist (grip posture) in the center with the knuckles of the thumb ( center knuckle) and the forefinger (third knuckle) at 9 – thumb and 3 forefinger.
Turn the thumb downward between 8 and 9 this brings the forefinger to 2 this twist will translate to the bottom of the hand which is important.

Holding a knife the handle stationary this twist puts the handle in a place that helps protect it from a fulcrum action against the tip of the blade. What would happen in a 9-3 position is the handle would go up and out of the hand by pressing down on the tip of the blade you can see the opening in the grip that it would go out by looking at your fist in the 9-3 position.
However in an 8-2 position the handle goes up against the inside palm of the hand and against the grip power area.

It’s really not complicated at all and to use something like the clock gives the mind a good visual of that it needs to do. This slight twist can make the difference between losing or keeping your knife.

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any chance of pictures or diagrams ?

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Control, very vital in these situations. I myself have only been up against a knife once in my life, thank goodness we were really young, and dude had no actual experience using that thing...... because I probably wouldn't be typing this right now.

In any case, Martial has been trained by a few dudes in knives. So he's been able to show us (probably not to the degree like Aqira can) a few things. I must say.... that would be a really bad day. But he's also shown us about control, without getting control.... you will get stabbed.

We've worked against other things that could be used as a weapon as well.... take a bat for instance. Bats aren't much to deal with, knives though..... are for the serious.

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wing if you can't draw a clock don't pick up a knife

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ok i have been practing and i get the hold the knife with the hand thing

but as for this : "If you draw a circle and number it like a clock you would place your fist (grip posture) in the center with the knuckles of the thumb ( center knuckle) and the forefinger (third knuckle) at 9 – thumb and 3 forefinger."

i can do the clock bit

but am having trouble decifering the rest

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ok rewrite

try the thumb at 9 forefinger at 3 both second knuckle
then lower the thumb 1 hour to 8 and it brings the forefinger back to 2 the knife handle does not move. This tucks the handle in the right spot.
The reason you move the hand and not the knife is you want the spine (top of the knife) to be aligned with the forearm in a level position it then is like
an extension.

Look at you arm extended with the knife level, then turn the arm slowly by dropping the thumb and raising it. The elbow moves with the thumb and if you look at the elbow and the knife spine they move together. This is alignment and makes a difference later after it becomes second nature.

Most people pick up a knife in the forward opposition and when the arm is straight it is crooked to the alignment, even though it is a natural thing to do it that way it is more important that the blade is aligned to the arm. It will improve your aim and control of the point and cutting edge.
This is one if those little things that trained people know and the average person that picks up a knife does not. If you read my article about developing cutting skills I posted a routine to learn to cut on the same line in both directions and to be able to hit the mark.

There is another part to this however if the blade is not aligned then you will be off in your cuts.

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With a cut you want a good line that continues full reach.

and just so you consider what the reality of knife fighting is here is a photo of a lucky guy....

warning

think about it before you look

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Oh THAT'S how that works!

“	Originally Posted By: aqira ok rewrite try the thumb at 9 forefinger at 3 both second knuckle then lower the thumb 1 hour to 8 and it brings the forefinger back to 2 the knife handle does not move. This tucks the handle in the right spot. The reason you move the hand and not the knife is you want the spine (top of the knife) to be aligned with the forearm in a level position it then is like an extension. Look at you arm extended with the knife level, then turn the arm slowly by dropping the thumb and raising it. The elbow moves with the thumb and if you look at the elbow and the knife spine they move together. This is alignment and makes a difference later after it becomes second nature. Most people pick up a knife in the forward opposition and when the arm is straight it is crooked to the alignment, even though it is a natural thing to do it that way it is more important that the blade is aligned to the arm. It will improve your aim and control of the point and cutting edge. This is one if those little things that trained people know and the average person that picks up a knife does not. If you read my article about developing cutting skills I posted a routine to learn to cut on the same line in both directions and to be able to hit the mark. There is another part to this however if the blade is not aligned then you will be off in your cuts.	”

Thats nice! I've heard of lining the blade along the arm...I'm not for sure if this is the same or not...but this type of placement does make sense.

As for knife fights (I work in an Emergency Team Care Unit) I have seen (in my opinion) enough ppl come in due to knife attacks. Some are lucky, and some aren't. I've even seen "professional" security ppl come in that had some knife training in their acadamy, but obviously the instructors didn't teach it in a realistic manner. Nearly impossible to take someone down when your musclular structure is sliced from head to toe. Nasty, sad stuff right there!

That pic was a vision of reality. Looking at the guys condition and marks, he's very lucky to be sitting there....but you KNOW that's gotta hurt like ****!

-Ngfamilydude

Reminds me of this guy!!!

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Oooh, look the Korean stylist used Chinese
http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read-ever.html

OMG

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all hail Martyr Fakka

Wow, i think practicing with live blades is crazy. I'm not saying that people are not skilled enough to avoid hurting someone or being hurt. With proper training and respect, you can do a lot and never see any injuries.

However, a live blade? Accidents (or subtle malice) can happen. You sever the wrong tendon and you could be out of training for months, if not forever. Not a risk I'm willing to take.

Instersting for sure.

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Oooh, look the Korean stylist used Chinese
http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read-ever.html

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Oooh, look the Korean stylist used Chinese
http://www.dragonslist.com/discussio...read-ever.html