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Old June 5th, 2008, 04:51 AM
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Spears on Appalachain Trails? Lawful?

What are the laws on carrying spears on the Appalachian Trails or a wilderness? Appalachian trail is a popular hiking trail that is over 2,000 miles. I've read that some states will no allow firearms on some trail. I was wondering if walking with a spear instead of a walking stick would be a good idea. I've read of wild dogs and other animals being aggressive on trails and thought a spear might be a good weapon to have. Are there laws about the length of knives? Suppose I detach the blade from the spear and it becomes a regular lawful knife and hopefully I could build a "snap on staff" system in case of animal threat. Besides, being a "leave no trace" hiker, a spear would dig a great Sh*t hole.

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Old June 5th, 2008, 03:02 PM
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I honestly don't know. Storm Mountain doesn't post here much anymore but he is a regular hiker on the southern end of the Trail.

My personal walking stick has a metal-tipped end that has a sharp point. I bought it in Germany. It's fended off dogs and snakes with no injury to either them or me.

Basically IMO, if you think something might cause a problem, it probably will in this day and age. A snap-on spear head sounds like a great idea though.

Edit: I have carried my Ka-Bar knife in its sheath on every trail I've ever hiked in the U.S., with no problems.
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You'd really need to check all of the jurisdictions that you tend on walking through.

Bear in mind though even if the law says "Yes" it'll depend on the individual LEO you may/not encounter & their mood.
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A knife, a walking stick like SG said, something that makes noise works, or in some jurisdictions, you're allowed to carry a side arm as long as you're licensed and it's in plain sight in holster and unloaded (easy enough to load a clip or cylinder in quick and pop something off if needed)
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I know a lot of people who carry heavy canes with brass knob heads and points on walks to use against dogs. No legal problems with canes unless you attack someone with one, and they're a lot easier to use than spears. Solid canes aren't the easiest to find any more, unfortunately. Like everything else, they're all aluminum or plastic these days.
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Let me give folks some free ex-prosecutor advice about canes, do not buy or carry a cane that has any indications that it is specially designed for "self defense" or as a "weapon". So forget the "death's head" metal caps for the handle, or any engraving of Bruce Lee on the shaft or anything of that ilk. Also no "after market modifications". For example as my friend did, which allowed him to see the inside of the San Diego County Jail for a few hours, do not drill a hole in the bottom of the cane and cram it full of iron shavings then glue the plug back in. It does give the cane a lot more heft, makes it hit a lot harder, just like a sap.............but, it also turns possession of it into a night in the slam and a hefty fine.

Utterly stock, low profile, old man's stout cane is the ticket. Or utterly stock, low profile hikers staff bought at the hiking store not at some martial arts supply place.

Having said all that, canes rock. A very good source is CaneMasters, just get a low profile one.

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I thought this thread was gonna be about bald-headed redneck women wandering the hills with no drawers on looking for they baby's daddy and they lost recording career!
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That woman would be on the Jack's River Trail up on the Tennessee-Georgia border. Near one of the many "old/abandoned" (cough, clear throat, cough) whiskey stills.

Or so I've heard.

(p.s. - stay on the trail and don't mess with the stills...)
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I'm not an expert on bears or spears but I wouldn't want to be putting my faith in a knife on the end of a stick if menaced by a bear. I've seen people stuck by a spear not massively inconvenienced in the short term and bears are a deal tougher and bigger. What about flares?
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Flares are a good idea, or firecrackers, the bang and flash have the ability to scare the bleep out of animals, all depending of course...
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I'm not an expert on bears or spears but I wouldn't want to be putting my faith in a knife on the end of a stick if menaced by a bear. I've seen people stuck by a spear not massively inconvenienced in the short term and bears are a deal tougher and bigger. What about flares?

I imagine a bear would get mad and swat your silly spear in two. But if you really want to put a knife on a stick, at least this one is meant to do it and only costs $30...BUSHMAN SERIES

I've uh.... seen, a modified flare gun that can accept a standard length 12ga. shell. Rock salt loads from a fat orange handgun and a very loud boom works really well for two legged intruders, and might also work for furry beasts.
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